PiZero compared to a Pi3
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We are talking about full speed here, not about nearly full speed, nor about nearly full speed sometimes. Full speed means constant ~60 fps. So does it run at full speed or not ?
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@barbudreadmon Wow! You made my day!
Are you from outer space? An Alien? Or a kind of insect? Why do you need 60 fps?
Why you don't understand as I wrote:The truth may depend on the personal view of reality and on the expactations you set
Well if you expect 60 fps than sorry man ... please don't use the Raspberry for emulation because it can't fullfill your expactations for now for all provided systems.
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Uhm...i think that is highly dependent on what system we are talking about here...
If we're still talking about SNES games, than yes, anything below 60 (50 PAL) would be rather noticeable, with very few exceptions (Super FX intense games)
The games were rendered according to the standard monitor refresh rates at the time (50/60 htz)And yes, i was indeed talking about what system runs most (all) of its library in full speed to gauge the systems overall potential.
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Do you realise that your commet made him make a choice to butcher his 35 pound board when he could have tried a £4 pi zero then if it don't work no drama back to orignal plan. The fact is all 16 bit systems work fine. May drop one or two frames in an intense sprite filled scene but that is it. Take neo geo for instance I own the orignal hardware and metal slug 1 plays the same slowdown in same parts.
Hard facts is you pulled your comment out of thin air instead of real world situations you do not own one so you are guessing , I own one and real hardware to compare I don't need you to trust me . It's fact go on YouTube many examples . Funny fact is most of them arcade systems you mentioned don't run at 50hz or 60hz some run funny rates like 58hz 59.9hz etc. plus most people scale up to 1080p but retro games can't scale properly as Power of 2 come into play. 720p actually scales properly . If I have to make a video of I dunno metal slug 3 last blade marvel vs capcom final fight yoshis Island running fine will you at least entertain the idea you may be wrong?
Sorry I shouldn't have used the word lie I should have realised nobody like being called a liar I didn't want to swear . My bad
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@twd Fact is i was never wrong, of course i think a game who run at 55+ fps is playable, sometimes below, but "playable" was never my point because it's totally subjective, that's why i warned @Einherjar it wouldn't run at full speed for those games, because that's the truth and has nothing to do with @cyperghost's "personal view of reality and on the expactations you set", hardware is hardware, i don't need to buy a pizero to know how a rpi1@1Ghz run those games, and i got called a liar for that...
Cost is barely relevant, board is never the priciest thing when we build a retrogaming system on raspberry, and you'll have issues finding a pizero at £4 outside of england, unlike rpi3 which is indeed around £35 in my homeland -
And btw, if i remember correctly, retroarch's refresh rate have nothing to do with game's original refresh rates, when a game don't run at ~60fps in retroarch, that means your system lacks power and the cpu is throttling.
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Do you realise you are basing this on retroarch ? you cannot judge the hardware on software. so you are still basing this on your prefrance for libretro stuff go get a pizero and then come back after you tried pifba gngeo etc I did say sorry and using the word liar but don't play the victim. And I offered to film my zero working and you ignored this. So a person who owns a pizero and real hardware and can compare side by side is wrong . Whilst you can only use theory and wiki links.
So yeah people can read thease post and make there own opinion I am done with you.
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@twd just FYI you are talking to an emulator developer, so I think he does know what he is on about.
Play nice.
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I think he does lib fba core or somthing right? If that's the case I don't use that as it don't run well (skips sound major slowdowns etc) I use pi fba and alls good. Maybe he need to look at his own code and optimise it. I am not a coder etc in fact I am dyslexic but even I learnt a bit of C# and built a few game's so I can appreciate the work that's involved. But here now I can boot any game he suggests pre disc era and play.
I don't want to argue with the guy I really don't but i am using a pizero and in the real world i cannot agree with the advice he gave a pi 3 will be butchered causing a lot more work and cost to achive a portable what a pizero can do in its tiny form factor for a pity full 5 bucks. I apologised for using the word liar that really wasn't my intention for how it was worded.
I will apologise agin for my tone I didn't mean to offend , just a friendly debate Back and forth in my eyes
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@barbudreadmon As I said postings before
Please respect each other and noone is a liar here.
I think you are old enough to not felt offended. I saw an excuse here - So take it easy.
But for the discussion Pi0 vs. Pi3:
The zero isn't the perfect choice for the all in one emulation - I agree with you.
But for most 16bit systems it runs fine and in most cases it fits the expatations. Annother question?
When should I use a Zero rather than a RPi3??
Only for handheld builds! Imho only here the Zero makes sense :)The Zero isn't as cheap as thought. You must enable sound manually or use a HDMI plug. You need a OTG cable. You may need a USB Wifi or USB LAN device.... then you may need a USB HUB... and voilá your 5$ device costs all in all about 15 to 20$ - with less performance. But it's a gold nugget for handhelds (some people here use SPI display below 20fps refresh and they are happy with)
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@twd So your solution to achieve full speed for those games on a rpi1@1Ghz is to use pifba. I suppose it's valid, even if i have serious doubts you'll run sh-2 games (= cp3 + some psikyo + some kaneko) at full speed with it (that's beyond doubts actually), the only difference between pifba and fbalpha-libretro, except the 6 years of developpement gap, is the m68k dynarec, which only affect m68k games (which is actually most of pifba game library). But that's a 500+ game emulator against a 4000+ game emulator (10000+ if i count non-arcade systems) and that's not the only differences : you'll have no shader, you'll have no dipswitch, i'm not sure pifba plays well with games that need a 90°/180° rotation either, and probably many other issues i'm not aware of (just a guess : altered beast is not running well on pifba ?). Those are things you should mention before saying fba is running at full speed on pizero.
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@twd said in PiZero compared to a Pi3:
I think he does lib fba core or somthing right? If that's the case I don't use that as it don't run well (skips sound major slowdowns etc) I use pi fba and alls good.
we've been talking about lr-fbalpha this whole time:
PiZero is basically a rpi1 refactored, so don't expect to play yoshi's island on snes, i don't recommend fbalpha on it either (you'll have speed issues with cps2, cps3, pgm, cave, psikyo, .... you'll be lucky if you can run cps1 and neogeo games at full speed)
pi-fba doesn't even run cps3.
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O my days you have no idea go get one then come back.
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@dankcushions said in PiZero compared to a Pi3:
@twd said in PiZero compared to a Pi3:
I think he does lib fba core or somthing right? If that's the case I don't use that as it don't run well (skips sound major slowdowns etc) I use pi fba and alls good.
we've been talking about lr-fbalpha this whole time:
PiZero is basically a rpi1 refactored, so don't expect to play yoshi's island on snes, i don't recommend fbalpha on it either (you'll have speed issues with cps2, cps3, pgm, cave, psikyo, .... you'll be lucky if you can run cps1 and neogeo games at full speed)
pi-fba doesn't even run cps3.
No we are talking about a pi3 compared to a pizero in a handheld ? Did I say pifba plays cps3 ? Both things I didn't say. I have offered to post a video do that mean nothing ? I made my zero into cab and I am playing Tate mostly Aswell.
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@twd said in PiZero compared to a Pi3:
@dankcushions said in PiZero compared to a Pi3:
@twd said in PiZero compared to a Pi3:
I think he does lib fba core or somthing right? If that's the case I don't use that as it don't run well (skips sound major slowdowns etc) I use pi fba and alls good.
we've been talking about lr-fbalpha this whole time:
PiZero is basically a rpi1 refactored, so don't expect to play yoshi's island on snes, i don't recommend fbalpha on it either (you'll have speed issues with cps2, cps3, pgm, cave, psikyo, .... you'll be lucky if you can run cps1 and neogeo games at full speed)
pi-fba doesn't even run cps3.
No we are talking about a pi3 compared to a pizero in a handheld ? Did I say pifba plays cps3 ? Both things I didn't say. I have offered to post a video do that mean nothing ? I made my zero into cab and I am playing Tate mostly Aswell.
you were arguing with someone who was specifically talking about lr-fbalpha. they even mention cps3 in the post, which is only available on lr-fbalpha.
if you want to make some sort of general point about pi-fba then fine, but stop picking fights with people about their hard work.
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@dankcushions disagreement is diffrent than a argument.
This is what I initally replied too
barbudreadmon 5 days ago
PiZero is basically a rpi1 refactored, so don't expect to play yoshi's island on snes, i don't recommend fbalpha on it either (you'll have speed issues with cps2, cps3, pgm, cave, psikyo, .... you'll be lucky if you can run cps1 and neogeo games at full speed)Here is my reply
twd 2 days ago @barbudreadmon
@barbudreadmonWell I completed yoshis Island on the pi zero last week . Everything you said here is a lie.... Unless you don't own a pizero and are guessing. Everything you stated works fine ... I built a arcade unit around the pizero and trust me I don't waste money because I am really poor ... The fact is the pi one do not preform like a zero ... The zero runs laps around it
Then it blew up because I used the word liar ... When I wanted to just say that is bullshit instead of swearing I choose a worse word a bad choice on my part. I have made two attempts to apologise I won't make a 3rd
I haven't moved the goal posts here he is hinging his argument on cps3 when all 16bit era works lovely and Neogeo cp1cps2 . a total of 5 games with cps3 and only sf3 is good that's it and his emulator preference (his own) not on the hardware capabilitys and other software that's really flawed logic. It's funny because I made a very similar post before and was universal accepted and upvoted so yeah.
My setup works mint people can make there own mind up have a punt with a pizero or have a punt with a pi3 and chop it up. Iam done here as I will probably be banned now.
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@twd said in PiZero compared to a Pi3:
Did I say pifba plays cps3 ?
You said "Everything you stated works fine", and i stated cps3 wouldn't run fine. I can't guess you are using pifba if your first post is "misleading" (yes, i could have used another word...), things would have been different if you had said "i can't play cps3 but the others run fine on pifba". Of course you can run pifba fine on a rpi1@1Ghz, i never disagreed with that, it's an emulator especially written for rpi1, but that's a fork from 6 years ago (and heavily modified for rpi, mainly their m68k dynarec which won't work inside current fba codebase, that's why there have been no update for 6 years), which contains less than 1/20 of current fbalpha game library and lacks a lot of other features retroarch+fbalpha-libretro provide.
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