Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks)
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@barbudreadmon said in Neogeo games looks shaded/antialiased?:
Could you give me the full list of files in "1944.zip" ?
Yes, it's:
nff.01
nff.04
nff.11m
nff.12m
nff.13m
nff.14m
nff.15m
nff.16m
nff.17m
nff.18m
nff.19m
nff.20m
nffu.03
nffu.05 -
@AndersHP You'll get the "green graphical glitchy eerie screen for about 3 seconds" on every game, i never put much thought about it, i'll check if standalone fba have this later to know if it's normal or not, same thing about "the screen and sound blacks out for a split second", i'm not sure it's in every game, and i never checked standalone to compare since it's not really game-breaking either. About the "artifacts in the graphics in-game", could you post a screenshot ? I never noticed that.
About 1944, you only miss the key file, it should be present in any fba rom tagged 0.2.97.39 and any mame rom tagged 0.175+ . It's actually a small file of 20 bytes which contain the decryption key of the cps2 game, and it wasn't needed before those releases because it was hardcoded in the emulator, but they removed that.
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@barbudreadmon said in Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks):
@AndersHP You'll get the "green graphical glitchy eerie screen for about 3 seconds" on every game, i never put much thought about it, i'll check if standalone fba have this later to know if it's normal or not
looks like it's the HW self-test for neogeo: http://www.xbins.org/nfo.php?file=xboxnfo1563.nfo (look for v1.12)
however i dunno if normal FBA has any options to turn it off
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@dankcushions said in Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks):
@barbudreadmon said in Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks):
@AndersHP You'll get the "green graphical glitchy eerie screen for about 3 seconds" on every game, i never put much thought about it, i'll check if standalone fba have this later to know if it's normal or not
looks like it's the HW self-test for neogeo: http://www.xbins.org/nfo.php?file=xboxnfo1563.nfo (look for v1.12)
however i dunno if normal FBA has any options to turn it off
That's basically what i thought. I suppose standalone has something to suppress it then, because "iq_132" is one of their main developper. I'll look into it if i find some free time.
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@AndersHP said in Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks):
Then, every time I press the coin button, the screen and sound blacks out for a split second
By the way, it only happens on title screen, right ? I never had that while in play. That's why i thought it was the game's normal behavior, actually i kinda remember the cabinet doing the same thing.
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@barbudreadmon OK, about the key file, I searched through the 1-D part of the romset, and only a handful, say 30 games, have the keyfile in the zips, and they've all god different names starting with 317-xxxx.key. Should I just grab one of those, and why are they not in all the zipped mame roms?
Oh, and yes I believe it's not doing this within the games, but for me the things adds up and while the PiFBA emulator seems to be emulating the games at exactly the same performance, but without these glitches, I think it makes for a better impression of the games in the end, TBH. But maybe that's just me :-)
I have another question for you, when you say the "new version of fba is out", is it the emulator that's got modified, or is it the romset, or both? I thought it was the emulator, but I can see some of the bug fixes is specific games-related, so that suggests that it is the code inside the games that you're updating?
Talking about PiFBA makes me seem very ungrateful here, but I really have a huge amount of respect for guys like you, modding and tweaking these classic games to be even better in your freetime, for us all to enjoy! Also, thanks a bunch for taking the time to reply here!
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@AndersHP said in Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks):
OK, about the key file, I searched through the 1-D part of the romset, and only a handful, say 30 games, have the keyfile in the zips
Yes, the key files i mentioned are only for cps2 games.
You searched "fba 0.2.97.39 romset" on google ? I don't think i can link roms website here but the first result for me seems great.
New version of fba means the emulator is modified : bugfixes, new features, new romset with addition and fixed dump.
We don't update the code inside the games, we update the code which read and emulate the best dump known.
Roms change once in a while, but not that often, cps2 roms didn't change for years (probably 10+), but they changed a few months ago when someone finished retro-engineering the cabinet.@AndersHP said in Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks):
but without these glitches
Well, i hope you understand those are actually not glitches but original behavior of the cabinet. I suppose we could mask them, like pifba or standalone fba, but this is really low priority for me.
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In extension of our Little MAME vs. FBA talk here, I'm trying to build my own romset to be completely compatible with my arcade build.
I wanted to use Romlister, but this needs Controls.xml and Catver.ini files, and these I cannot find for FBA romsets.
Am I missing something, or is Romlister not compatible with FBA romsets?
If not, how do you arrange the romsets in a way that doesn't require you to manually test every game? -
@AndersHP said in Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks):
In extension of our Little MAME vs. FBA talk here, I'm trying to build my own romset to be completely compatible with my arcade build.
I wanted to use Romlister, but this needs Controls.xml and Catver.ini files, and these I cannot find for FBA romsets.
Am I missing something, or is Romlister not compatible with FBA romsets?
If not, how do you arrange the romsets in a way that doesn't require you to manually test every game?you can just use the mame controls.xml and catver.ini - fba romsets are a subset of mame.
however, http://controls.arcadecontrols.com/ has been down for a while so you have to hunt for old links. catver.ini is current though: http://www.progettosnaps.net/catver/
i'm not sure how it handles all the bootlegs and hacks that are in fba but not in mame... i assume they just don't feature. for this reason i would be careful relying on romlister for anything super-specific. it seemed to be ok splitting out neogeo games and things like that, but i'd be cautious with anything about controls.
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Thanks...
But what do you suggest then, in order to sort the romsets, to prevent having 5 versions of every game? Going through them manually?
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@AndersHP i believe the 'is a parent' / 'is a clone' designation is in the fba 0.2.97.39 dat file, so it's safe to filter on that. i would just only use parents unless you wanted specific rom hacks/etc.
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Allright, so what you're saying is that I can stick to parents and then use RomLister, even for sorting out games that doesn't run without certain controls that I don't have on my build (e.g. analog Sticks, spinners etc.)?
What about the hacks, if I sort these out, will it not mean that I'm defeating the purpose of the FBA, with the reliability updates and bugfixes to the games?
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@AndersHP said in Neogeo games looks shaded in PiFBA (+ lr-fbalpha talks):
Allright, so what you're saying is that I can stick to parents and then use RomLister, even for sorting out games that doesn't run without certain controls that I don't have on my build (e.g. analog Sticks, spinners etc.)?
like i said the controls.ini is super old (2007?) so i'm not sure it is always reliable. plus a lot of games that use analog sticks/spinners are playable with digital controls anyway. you can try!
What about the hacks, if I sort these out, will it not mean that I'm defeating the purpose of the FBA, with the reliability updates and bugfixes to the games?
for me FBA is for the games that mame2003 doesn't run. which is only a handful that i'm interested in. a lot of hacks are kinda daft IMO so i wouldn't want them. if you do, i'm not sure of a good way to get at them. maybe search for 'hack' or 'bootleg' or something in romlister.
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If useful please find the MAME ini files here:
https://ufile.io/0aac2 (for 30 days anyway)catver
controls
languages
nplayers
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