Themes - custom collection standardized naming
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@pjft huh, now that you mentioned a complete collection, that sounds more like a automatic collection to me (if we could get someone to add that as a tag for the gamelist). And while we're at it, why not have a Never Played collection too? That sounds easy to me when it looks for an missing lastplayed tag.
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@meleu -- haha....awesome!
I've updated the list above ... kof it is!
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@ectoone Well, sure... they'd be easy to add.
I suppose the key "usable" concern with the "never played" collection is that, in most users' collections [citation needed], this will be an absurdly long list of thousands of games, not that dissimilar to the "All Games" list sorted by "times played". It could be an option, but I'm not sure about adding one such auto collection - unless there's a lot of requests for it. Just to confirm, what I have in "Backlog" is not as much "All games not played", but rather "games I'm currently working through, or are on hold". :)
The "completed" collection could certainly be based on metadata, if we'd choose to add that bit of metadata to the files. I'm not planning on adding that at the moment - once again, unless there's a lot of requests for it, but yes, those are good ideas.
But, by the same token, the "Kids" collection will eventually be metadata as well, and can be an automated collection, as there is a precedent for it in the ES-Kids branch, and a lot of users request that every now and then.
So yeah, I was just mentioning some other collection ideas, though I'm fine with currently having them under the "Collections" menu. :)
Good job anyway!
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@pjft said in Themes - custom collection standardized naming:
"games I'm currently working through, or are on hold". :)
I use favorites for that. ;)
Speaking of lists generated from Metadata, @meleu suggested one for games with achievements.
And since we already have the option to select which auto gamelist we want to see, why not have all? Just kidding.
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@ectoone We will likely have an auto one for achievements. That being said, I'm personally not keen on adding more metadata without a specific use-case in mind - and that was also a point of discussion that we addressed on the achievements side.
So it's not as much a matter of not having them all, is more what needs to be done beforehand (and is it worth it) to have them all. :)
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@pjft Yeah, I can see the issues with adding more Metadata. Yet for completed games that beforehand work would use a method that we have. Since I don't know how favorites work, it might be either that method or based on Metadata. And Never Played would use an already existing tag (or non existing in this case). Yet again I have no idea of what needs to be done for that, and maybe some of the auto collections could also be achieved with filters. But that's another thing I know nothing about and what's possible with that system.
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If retropie gets like hyperspin I will stay on a old version. Hyperspin was a mess too many people from that sinking ship are pushing retropie in the wrong direction in my opinion.. I think maybe document how to add custom collections in a tutorial, and if they cannot do it then that's up to them. How convoluted do retropie have to keep getting.
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@twd lots of feature creep but people want their options. I personally despise hyperspin
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What to do you think of these for additional genre type collection names?
- platformer
- strategy
- puzzle
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@alphatoanant I think we might be getting way out of control on standard naming for all of these custom themes. I am already starting to think of retiring from theme making. Before we had custom themes we had about 100 different systems and people would always be asking for us when we would add them. I know all of us who make themes and agree with that. I fear that by creating this standardized list, users are just going to expect us to create themes for each of them. Where as themers and developers do we draw the line on what is "Standard" and allow users to create there own systems, and if themers feel the desire, for them to create their own unique systems?
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@tmntturtlguy no you must make a theme for every single game search for art and compose it all in a handy turnkey solution click to install all for free..... Didn't you sign up to do this.
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@tmntturtlguy said in Themes - custom collection standardized naming:
@alphatoanant I think we might be getting way out of control on standard naming for all of these custom themes. I am already starting to think of retiring from theme making. Before we had custom themes we had about 100 different systems and people would always be asking for us when we would add them. I know all of us who make themes and agree with that. I fear that by creating this standardized list, users are just going to expect us to create themes for each of them. Where as themers and developers do we draw the line on what is "Standard" and allow users to create there own systems, and if themers feel the desire, for them to create their own unique systems?
These are all valid points and I fully understand your frustration. It's important for us, the users in this scenario, to remember that it's a hobby for you. It's cliche AF but, "Don't let the haters get you down." You added, quite possibly, the gold standard of themes and you should really only just do what you want and be comfortable in that. It's not meant to be an ego stroke, but we should be grateful of whatever you decide to share with us. Just my two cents though.
On the flip side, in this thread there are people throwing out ideas and seeing what sticks for the themers. Both are entitled to their opinion.
Anyway, thanks for your contribution thus far.
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@alphatoanant I tend to side with @TMNTturtlguy on this one. The idea of custom collections started out as a way to prevent theme makers from having to create all of these but rather focus on the design.
While I won't object to individual theme makers having specific sets of systems, I'd be careful with embarking on a "standard" definition as - by definition - it may create the wrong expectations from users on what will a theme have or not.
I think the thread started with standardized names as the scope, for those who may want to implement them in their themes, so for those that may be slightly non-debatable names, we might just not need to discuss them so that we also don't create the wrong expectations for the wider audience. :)
@twd I think everyone gets by now that you don't like this thread and what's being discussed. Comments and feedback are appreciated, but sarcasm Is probably not the way to go about it.
These are just a group of people trying to give something to the community on their spare time. You're not forced to take it, and it's not as if others getting it will in any way make your own experience worse.
Please consider that.
Thanks.
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@pjft wind your neck in mate , it wasn't sarcasm it was truth's. I'am just straight to the point.
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@twd your first post may have been the truth according to your perception. I have no problem with that.
Your second post was nothing but sarcasm and negativity at the expense of others in the thread. Be respectful of others.
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Respect is earned. I wasn't sarcastic to any individual so like I said wind your neck in with your superiority complex.
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When I created this thread, I did it with the mindset that, if theme creators chose to make some custom collections in their themes, that if another theme creator wanted to make the same one, we might use the same names. That way, if a user did use that collection .... if the user switched to another theme and it supported it, it would still display it on the main menu instead of in the custom collection menu.
I never expected all theme creators to make and support them all .... but if they did make one, it'd be nice if we all used the same name.
I guess my use of the word "standardization" probably wasn't the best word to use ..... I was merely just thinking more along perhaps guidelines?
I don't intend to make all of these collections in my theme, but I'll make a few of them. I just thought it would be a cool feature if users wanted them and/or a theme creator wanted to make some of them available. I merely made the list from suggestions and names I found in other posts.
I didn't intend to start a debate or argument with these collection names ... if it would better serve the community to have this thread deleted, please do so (or let me know and I'll delete it).
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@dmmarti DON'T DELETE THE THREAD! There is some great information in this thread, particularly in the very first post with the entire list. I think this should be the gold standard! I also think we put a limit to how big the list gets, there is unlimited possibilities out there and that is what is so great about it. Thanks
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@dmmarti No need to delete you thread, I have no issues with the idea do what you like to your own system. I was just voicing my opinion that's all. There's not much all I like retropie to add accept for vertical and 4:3 support It's almost perfect for me.
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@dmmarti I agree with others. There's a lot of valuable information here, it shouldn't be lost.
Maybe after this, though, the outcome could probably be a page on the wiki for the guidelines for the names, that rationale you just laid out, and perhaps a shared document with the list of names that have come out of this, for people to reuse?
Just a thought.
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