SNES mini theme

ruckage

@ruckage Doesn't seems fair to me that you're preventing Recalbox users to use your theme.

I'm preventing no one from using my theme. Until I port it to recalbox people always have the option of installing retropie and using that.

allan.garcia

@ruckage Ok. So you're making merchandise to Retropie!? Why can't people use both?! And why YOU ALONE have to port to Recalbox?! What kind of precious work have to be done exclusively by you!?

ruckage

@allan-garcia
There is even a topic on the recalbox forum regarding this theme and the users there have all been understanding and patient and have respected my wishes. I'm sure they would like it sooner rather than later but they seem willing to wait for me to do the work.

A Former User

@allan-garcia said in SNES mini theme:
And why YOU ALONE have to port to Recalbox?!

Because it says, very explicitly, in his license agreement in the Readme. That's why. This is really not a hard rule to follow. Want to port it over personally to use on your home machine? That's fine. He has allowed that. Instead you and many others don't stop there and insist on inserting yourself into a project you have had no hand in creating.

allan.garcia

@ruckage You seems very arrogant to me. No further responses.

allan.garcia

@livefastcyyoung Well. Different from @ruckage I'm not asking for any credit or glory. The repository are public on GitHub and ANYONE can contribute. I just said some messages ago that @ruckage can use everything without even give me credit. I'm just sharing what I believe is good for others. If I didn't make myself clear you can use everything without give any credits. I close my case here.

ruckage

@allan-garcia said in SNES mini theme:

@ruckage Ok. So you're making merchandise to Retropie!?

I don't even know what that means. It's my preferred platform but I get no benefit from people using retropie.

@allan-garcia said in SNES mini theme:

@ruckage Ok. So you're making merchandise to Retropie!?
Why can't people use both?! And why YOU ALONE have to port to Recalbox?! What kind of precious work have to be done exclusively by you!?

People can use whatever platform they like. I created the theme and one reason I personally want to port it is to make sure it's done correctly.
I don't see why me wanting to handle the porting of this is a bad thing, I've put months of work into the theme and I've always been clear on where I stand regarding modifications.

A Former User

@allan-garcia said in SNES mini theme:

@livefastcyyoung Well. Different from @ruckage I'm not asking for any credit or glory.

This is a flat out lie. This is taken directly from the Readme on your Github:

"Theme designed by Ruckage
Version 1.05
(Ported to recalbox by Allan Garcia)
Version 1.05recalbox
03/12/2017
(Ported at 17/09/2018)"

That sure looks like a credit to me.

A Former User

@allan-garcia This isn't an issue of arrogance. It's both a matter of principal and the fact that by allowing random forks, once the theme is updated every fork will be out of date. So many people fork things, lose interest after a month and that's that. By waiting for the official project owner to port it, you are assured that all updates will be done in unison and that you are getting the experience set out by the creator.

What you are doing is selfish, short sighted, and nothing but a means of getting your name out there. Again, if you want to port it for your personal machine, that is fine. You have no right to distribute this project however.

allan.garcia

@livefastcyyoung @ruckage To prevent future whining about this matter I'm taking the repository offline. Best regards.

FlyingTomahawk

Never mind.

ruckage

@allan-garcia
Thank you for taking down the repository, you seem to have taken this very personally which was not the intent. As I originally said I'm flattered that you liked the theme enough that you wanted to port it. And wanting to contribute to help others is admirable but that doesn't change my stance on this.

If the time comes that I no longer wish to continue work on the theme I may change the license but while I'm still actively working on and updating the theme I don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking that modified versions not be shared.
It does seem that the majority of regular users here and on the Recalbox forum are very respectful of anyone who contributes to the respective projects and certainly I don't know of any regular users here who would knowingly step on anyone's toes by creating derivatives of another's theme without getting explicit permission first.

I really don't like this kind of confrontation, it's a real downer.

I'd just like to say thanks to everyone here who shows support for my work, I appreciate it and it does make the effort worthwhile.

p.s thanks @LiveFastCyYoung for sticking up for me.

FlyingTomahawk

@ruckage said in SNES mini theme:

I don't know of any regular users here who would knowingly step on anyone's toes by creating derivatives of another's theme without getting explicit permission first

Guilty as charged! But then again I am no "regular" user :-P
That was long ago and we luckily cleared that. Now I would say we are good buddies, I hope, and I am proud to call you a friend.

ruckage

@flyingtomahawk said in SNES mini theme:

@ruckage said in SNES mini theme:

I don't know of any regular users here who would knowingly step on anyone's toes by creating derivatives of another's theme without getting explicit permission first

Guilty as charged! But then again I am no "regular" user :-P
That was long ago and we luckily cleared that. Now I would say we are good buddies, I hope, and I am proud to call you a friend.

😂 I'd forgotten about that. That was slightly different circumstances as I never released the theme and I think everyone assumed I'd disappeared as I was away for a long while due to ill health. But it was sorted out very quickly with no hard feelings at all, and I absolutely consider you a good friend.

Speaking of 'that theme 😛 I have a wip update to my original NewGen theme that I plan to release at some point, It's layout is slightly modified and it has a few other changes so the 2 themes can happily live side by side. If you don't mind though I may want to borrow your system descriptions to save me having to come up with my own (I'll obviously give you credit for them though if that's okay).

FlyingTomahawk

@ruckage said in SNES mini theme:

Speaking of 'that theme 😛 I have a wip update to my original NewGen theme that I plan to release at some point, It's layout is slightly modified and it has a few other changes so the 2 themes can happily live side by side. If you don't mind though I may want to borrow your system descriptions to save me having to come up with my own (I'll obviously give you credit for them though if that's okay).

You serious!? Oh man I definitely want to see that theme! And I am sure not the only one.
Hell, take what ever you need, no credits necessary at all.
I also don't mind taking down my theme. You say the word and it's done. I have no emotional attachment to it.😉

ruckage

@flyingtomahawk

Thanks, and I'll definitely credit you as I'm sure there was a lot of work put into writing the descriptions (I only had a handful written up and found it quite time consuming). No need to take the Futura theme down, people like it and the new version of NewGen is different enough that people can have a choice then.

hhromic

hi @ruckage !
your themes are really nice, I started using the SNES mini some time ago and love it very much!
suggestion: it is possible to include a "no-meta-no-image" layout as well? I personally don't scrape games and with the "no-meta" layout I still have some space waste with the always-empty image box. Basically it would be just the name of the roms along the screen (like in Carbon).
Thanks a million again!

ruckage

@hhromic said in SNES mini theme:

hi @ruckage !
your themes are really nice, I started using the SNES mini some time ago and love it very much!
suggestion: it is possible to include a "no-meta-no-image" layout as well? I personally don't scrape games and with the "no-meta" layout I still have some space waste with the always-empty image box. Basically it would be just the name of the roms along the screen (like in Carbon).
Thanks a million again!

Thanks, glad you like the theme. A no image version is possible but I'm not sure when I'll add it as I have some changes I need to make first and those wanting a layout without any preview images are probably in the minority.

hhromic

@ruckage no problem at all. I fully understand that we the non-scrappers probably are low-priority :) no rush indeed! I was mostly suggesting for completeness' sake. For me is sufficient that you consider this layout option in your todo list. Looking forward for the upcoming improvements!

ruckage

Just a quick update on the theme. I'm currently in the process of porting over the nes-mini theme to the snes mini theme the aim being that the snes,nes, and famicom mini themes will all be contained within one big customisable theme. It will hopefully be easier maintaining 1 theme rather than 3 separate themes and it will also mean that the Nes-mini theme can benefit from all of the customisation options of the Snes mini theme.

So far I have all the backgrounds ported over, it took a fair amount of work as despite the layouts of the themes being very similar the borders are actually larger on the snes mini theme so I've had to adjust all the backgrounds to take this into account. Likewise the nes borders had to be adjusted to match the taller borders used on the snes theme.

There is still quite a bit to do but its looking good so far and I hope everyone will be happy with this change.