FBA vs. MAME
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Dankcushions said:
there has: mame4all-pi, and pifba. however, if you're on pi2 or pi3 you're mostly better off going for later versions.Yes, and these being stand-alone, they obviously don't enjoy retroarch setups. For me, the CRT-PI shader is an important feature.
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@pussyfoot said in FBA vs. MAME:
This is a good start for anyone looking for a definitive rom list of working games using the best emulator for the job as of 2017/11/11.
First thanks again for creating those lists.
I combined all three into one single xls file that lists the roms (sorted by filename) and for each rom shows the suggested (best) core.
Concerning lr-mame, some games require 2010 (vs 2003) to run correctly: eg. Spiders and Sheriff. As screen aspect ratio is wrong in lr-mame 2010 a specific cfg is required to fix the ratio. For the 2 mentioned games I made an overlay that also fixes screen ratio. In the xls files this is specified by rom and includes links to corresponding overlays.
I will add more 2010 required roms in the future when found.Global "best core" for roms file is available here.
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this is great guys thanks alot for this , could you tell me what rom set i need for this configuration. do i need the fba rom set for fba and different rom set for mame 2003.
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@juice Yes, fba and mame2003 have different romset versions - check out the arcade sections in the docs - https://retropie.org.uk/docs/FinalBurn-Alpha/ and https://retropie.org.uk/docs/MAME/
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@udb23
Great to see a combined list.
I'm really surprised to see that lr-fbalpha is recommended for so many roms. I thought the MAME2003 was "lighter", meaning that the performance on the pi would be faster and better in many cases. -
@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:
lr-fbalpha is recommended for so many roms
Can't say why, I just collected the files created in this thread.
I believe "recommended" does not mean best; as far as I know lr-fba is faster due to less precise emulation (playability focused core) while mame tries to exactly emulate the real arcade machine (may impact performance, even on a Pi3) -
@andershp Mame2003 is "lighter" compared to newer mame releases (newer=more precise emulation)
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@udb23 But I thought "lighter" = more precise emulation..
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@andershp more precise = more processing power needed = even Pi3 may not be able to manage (try a simple game like space invaders enabling with lr mame 2010 and mame overlay and backdrop... Too slow)
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fbalpha is performance focused, but it's also a modern emulator. you can't really compare the performance with mame2003 -they're 14 years apart. i think most of the fbalpha code isn't even from a mame base in the first place.
so yeah, sometimes fbalpha will be faster than mame2003, sometimes not, but also it may have better accuracy in most games. mame2003 was accuracy-focused, but as of 2003. fbalpha will likely have the edge on it in most cases.
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Allright, cool info. Now if only I could merge the spreadsheet with some rom utility to automatically choose the best rom type :)
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When I use FBA, I put MAME roms into my FBA rom folder. Does that affect accuracy?
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@redbatman each core (Fba in your case) requires its own romset. If got a rom that's not intended for that core you would notice as it most likely simply would not work.
No relation with accuracy. -
Ideally, it would be cool to create a DAT file for FBA and MAME2003/2010 and AdvanceMAME 3.X. I'd be more than willing to do it based on what's on my SD Card. I never did it with CLRMAME Pro. Can anyone make a suggestion how to start?
Also, where is the config to identify which games I am using MAME 2010? I know the Rampage games need 2010.
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@udb23 said in FBA vs. MAME:
@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:
lr-fbalpha is recommended for so many roms
Can't say why, I just collected the files created in this thread.
I believe "recommended" does not mean best; as far as I know lr-fba is faster due to less precise emulation (playability focused core) while mame tries to exactly emulate the real arcade machine (may impact performance, even on a Pi3)I have serious doubts a 15 years old mame version is more accurate than latest fba. But yes, it is a project focused on playability.
@Pussyfoot Do you have the exact list of games that run at full speed on mame2003 but not on fba ?
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@barbudreadmon No. I just moved them as I found them. The Strikers 1945 II and III games were two of them. Rampage World Tour works well in MAME, but slow in FBA.
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@pussyfoot said in FBA vs. MAME:
The Strikers 1945 II and III games
They should run fine with the speedhack from the dipswitches.
I'll take a look at rampage world tour.
Edit : actually that's not a rom compatible with lr-fbalpha. -
@barbudreadmon It doesn't run fine with the speed hack. It runs better, but not as well as in MAME. Also, the speed hack affects other games, yes?
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Konami 4p games has slowdowns on latest fba. More noticable on a pi2 at 1ghz. They're fine in fba 2012. Not sure if this is due to being more accurate or a bug.
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@pussyfoot @Darksavior All of them run at full speed on my rpi3 @1.3Ghz.
Yes, i suppose if you have older/slower hardware, it is better to use older software.
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