mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

skj

Thank you

GreenHawk84

Any possibility of Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder backward support? Currently that game has some issues in Mame2003.

Can I ask what exactly has been improved (as of today) with Mortal Kombat 2 and Ultimate MK3?

Loggahead

Is there an issue with highscores and bally midway games? Just confirmed that neither tapper or rbtapper are saving highscores in mame2003+. Any ideas?

SunnyMo

@capeman said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Ninja Baseball Bat Man

how about the performance of Ninja Baseball Bat Man, does it have slow down or sound shutter issue?

Darksavior

@sunnymo said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@capeman said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Ninja Baseball Bat Man

how about the performance of Ninja Baseball Bat Man, does it have slow down or sound shutter issue?

The slowdown won't change. It's pretty much 60fps most of the time on my pi3b+ overclocked to 1.5ghz. mame2003/plus is the fastest way to play it too. FBA is much slower.

SunnyMo

@darksavior yeah, finally i choose lr-mame2003-plus to play the game, though it is not the fastest emulator(which is advmame3.8), but the most balanced one.

Capeman

@darksavior said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

The slowdown won't change. It's pretty much 60fps most of the time on my pi3b+ overclocked to 1.5ghz. mame2003/plus is the fastest way to play it too. FBA is much slower.

I don't overclock mine, the game runs slower than 60fps for sure on both mame2003 and plus, you can tell in the sound, it sounds like its constantly stuttering. Not talking about standard game slowdown from too many sprites on screen, just overall performance.

Darksavior

@capeman said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@darksavior said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

The slowdown won't change. It's pretty much 60fps most of the time on my pi3b+ overclocked to 1.5ghz. mame2003/plus is the fastest way to play it too. FBA is much slower.

I don't overclock mine, the game runs slower than 60fps for sure on both mame2003 and plus, you can tell in the sound, it sounds like its constantly stuttering. Not talking about standard game slowdown from too many sprites on screen, just overall performance.

The pi is too slow. It's not the game's fault. You need to overclock to get rid of most of the slowdown. I only get slowdowns on my oc'd pi on the intro to the stages only. The rest of the game is mostly 60fps solid.

mediamogul

@capeman

If you don't want to overclock for whatever reason, you can also get full frame rate during game play by using AdvanceMAME 3.x. It'll reduce the slowdown on the stage intros as well, but not eliminate it altogether.

grant2258

just put frameskip on if you dont want to overclock or use a more powerful box to run your emulation there is only so much a pie can do. A mini pc is what you need install linux and retropie on that

mediamogul

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

just put frameskip on if you dont want to overclock or use a more powerful box to run your emulation there is only so much a pie can do. A mini pc is what you need install linux and retropie on that

Frameskip has the major disadvantage of disrupting a player's timing. The Pi is indeed an under-powered computer, but RetroArch also adds a lot of overhead not found in standalone emulators. Many arcade games that are right on the edge of acceptable performance can be improved greatly by just picking a more appropriate emulator on a case-by-case basis. Fortunately, RetroPie makes that very easy.

grant2258

@mediamogul said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

just put frameskip on if you dont want to overclock or use a more powerful box to run your emulation there is only so much a pie can do. A mini pc is what you need install linux and retropie on that

Frameskip has the major disadvantage of disrupting a player's timing. The Pi is indeed an under-powered computer, but RetroArch also adds a lot of overhead not found in standalone emulators. Many arcade games that are right on the edge of acceptable performance can be improved greatly by just picking a more appropriate emulator on a case-by-case basis. Fortunately, RetroPie makes that very easy.

Well its a balanced choice when you dont have enough processing power. The pi is good enough for most older stuff im not disputing that. Some users really dont know they can update there hardware and still use retropie. I personally use something else for my barcade that lets me use native emulators and have my retropie at the tv for the old consoles although I have these in my barcade as well.

mediamogul

@grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

I personally use something else for my barcade that lets me use native emulators and have my retropie at the tv for the old consoles although I have these in my barcade as well.

Very nice. I have a similar setup myself. I use an older, but more powerful computer in my MAME cabinet and I use my Pi for console gaming and whatever arcade games I can squeeze out of it. Despite it's technical superiority, I don't really play or work on my cabinet very much. For whatever reason, I've just always found it more fun working and playing with the Pi.

grant2258

I have to admit I think retropie has a real strength that lot of other pi distros don't it supports native emulators as well. Going 100% ra locks users in that environment. I like tinkering and customizing it is nice to have options

mediamogul

@grant2258

I definitely agree. RetroArch is a technical marvel with all it does and I use it in most instances, but the ability to explore other options that might suit certain use cases better is a real benefit.

gizmobjb

Quick question I have the moonwalker bootleg samples, so I just put them in the sample folder and thats it right. Sorry I know that's a stupid question.

Also I got the ffight.zip of the ost samples but it missing a lot of files. Is there a complete set of the ffight samples?

Thank you

akafox

@mediamogul well it has to be that way with mame a lot..but emulation in general.
With updates comes breaks..that is they update it to fix or improve it and then they break something else. So you go to an older version that worked.

I would prefer to use "native emulators" myself but RetroArch is updated frequently and a big community around it. They do have separate cores for some emulators which is nice. At first I was not using mame cores because I could not get into the dipswitch menu..that is a must for some games..but then it was fixed.

On the other hand I have a system here that i have four versions of an arcade emulator on just to get things to work. I have standard mame..then I have FBA..then advmame 1.4..then Fast MAME..it's a single core 1.4ghz with 384 Mb of DDR ram and a 40Gb (IDE) HHD...so it's slow...but the different versions of mame allow me to run almost everything..yes even KI and MK at full speed.

But back to topic...
umm..I have a dumb question embarrassed
so this core here what exactly is it? I have been watching it for sometime..and I gather it is a version of mame (core) to get games to play..or run better (in a nutshell) I do want to try it out..any value on it over the mame 2003 core over all?
guess i need to break down and try it out huh? lol it is in the retroarch get hub page right?..or downloadable from the retroarch gui?

mediamogul

@akafox said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

so this core here what exactly is it?

lr-mame2003-plus 'backports' features and fixes that were added later than the 2003 version of MAME (0.78). These additions include new playable games, as well as fixes to issues that were exclusive to the RetroArch port, such as the inability to play Midway MCR games, which was not an issue with the original MAME 0.78. So, basically it adds a grab bag of good stuff from later versions of MAME and puts it all into an older incarnation of MAME that is know to perform well on low-end hardware like the Raspberry Pi.

akafox

@mediamogul ah okay that makes sense just like advance mame did with the cps3 game and a few others...never updated [to a newer version] or "used newer roms" just "updated the code" to run newer games..but same base..(one ting I like about advance mame...).

Too bad MS didn't do that with DOS and Windows 3.1..but that's a debate for an entirely different forum xD

Thank you for your informative answer..I will defiantly look into it! :D
Is there any place there is a list of the roms that work? (retropie wiki maybe?)
I tried the mame2003-midway core one time but was told the main core absorbed that hack/fix but this core is not "just midway" roms I take it..

mitu

@akafox said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

Is there any place there is a list of the roms that work? (retropie wiki maybe?)

The Changelog has the list of new additions. Check out the 1st post in the topic and the project's github page for more details.