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    • CapemanC
      Capeman @Darksavior
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      @darksavior said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

      The slowdown won't change. It's pretty much 60fps most of the time on my pi3b+ overclocked to 1.5ghz. mame2003/plus is the fastest way to play it too. FBA is much slower.

      I don't overclock mine, the game runs slower than 60fps for sure on both mame2003 and plus, you can tell in the sound, it sounds like its constantly stuttering. Not talking about standard game slowdown from too many sprites on screen, just overall performance.

      Vector Artist, Designer and Maker of Stuff: Laser Cut Atari / Pixel Theme Bartop

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      • DarksaviorD
        Darksavior @Capeman
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        @capeman said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

        @darksavior said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

        The slowdown won't change. It's pretty much 60fps most of the time on my pi3b+ overclocked to 1.5ghz. mame2003/plus is the fastest way to play it too. FBA is much slower.

        I don't overclock mine, the game runs slower than 60fps for sure on both mame2003 and plus, you can tell in the sound, it sounds like its constantly stuttering. Not talking about standard game slowdown from too many sprites on screen, just overall performance.

        The pi is too slow. It's not the game's fault. You need to overclock to get rid of most of the slowdown. I only get slowdowns on my oc'd pi on the intro to the stages only. The rest of the game is mostly 60fps solid.

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        • mediamogulM
          mediamogul Global Moderator @Capeman
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          @capeman

          If you don't want to overclock for whatever reason, you can also get full frame rate during game play by using AdvanceMAME 3.x. It'll reduce the slowdown on the stage intros as well, but not eliminate it altogether.

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            grant2258 Banned @mediamogul
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            just put frameskip on if you dont want to overclock or use a more powerful box to run your emulation there is only so much a pie can do. A mini pc is what you need install linux and retropie on that

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            • mediamogulM
              mediamogul Global Moderator @grant2258
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              @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

              just put frameskip on if you dont want to overclock or use a more powerful box to run your emulation there is only so much a pie can do. A mini pc is what you need install linux and retropie on that

              Frameskip has the major disadvantage of disrupting a player's timing. The Pi is indeed an under-powered computer, but RetroArch also adds a lot of overhead not found in standalone emulators. Many arcade games that are right on the edge of acceptable performance can be improved greatly by just picking a more appropriate emulator on a case-by-case basis. Fortunately, RetroPie makes that very easy.

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                grant2258 Banned @mediamogul
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                @mediamogul said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                just put frameskip on if you dont want to overclock or use a more powerful box to run your emulation there is only so much a pie can do. A mini pc is what you need install linux and retropie on that

                Frameskip has the major disadvantage of disrupting a player's timing. The Pi is indeed an under-powered computer, but RetroArch also adds a lot of overhead not found in standalone emulators. Many arcade games that are right on the edge of acceptable performance can be improved greatly by just picking a more appropriate emulator on a case-by-case basis. Fortunately, RetroPie makes that very easy.

                Well its a balanced choice when you dont have enough processing power. The pi is good enough for most older stuff im not disputing that. Some users really dont know they can update there hardware and still use retropie. I personally use something else for my barcade that lets me use native emulators and have my retropie at the tv for the old consoles although I have these in my barcade as well.

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                • mediamogulM
                  mediamogul Global Moderator @grant2258
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                  @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                  I personally use something else for my barcade that lets me use native emulators and have my retropie at the tv for the old consoles although I have these in my barcade as well.

                  Very nice. I have a similar setup myself. I use an older, but more powerful computer in my MAME cabinet and I use my Pi for console gaming and whatever arcade games I can squeeze out of it. Despite it's technical superiority, I don't really play or work on my cabinet very much. For whatever reason, I've just always found it more fun working and playing with the Pi.

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                    grant2258 Banned @mediamogul
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                    I have to admit I think retropie has a real strength that lot of other pi distros don't it supports native emulators as well. Going 100% ra locks users in that environment. I like tinkering and customizing it is nice to have options

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                    • mediamogulM
                      mediamogul Global Moderator @grant2258
                      last edited by mediamogul

                      @grant2258

                      I definitely agree. RetroArch is a technical marvel with all it does and I use it in most instances, but the ability to explore other options that might suit certain use cases better is a real benefit.

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                        gizmobjb
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                        Quick question I have the moonwalker bootleg samples, so I just put them in the sample folder and thats it right. Sorry I know that's a stupid question.

                        Also I got the ffight.zip of the ost samples but it missing a lot of files. Is there a complete set of the ffight samples?

                        Thank you

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                        • akafoxA
                          akafox @mediamogul
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                          @mediamogul well it has to be that way with mame a lot..but emulation in general.
                          With updates comes breaks..that is they update it to fix or improve it and then they break something else. So you go to an older version that worked.

                          I would prefer to use "native emulators" myself but RetroArch is updated frequently and a big community around it. They do have separate cores for some emulators which is nice. At first I was not using mame cores because I could not get into the dipswitch menu..that is a must for some games..but then it was fixed.

                          On the other hand I have a system here that i have four versions of an arcade emulator on just to get things to work. I have standard mame..then I have FBA..then advmame 1.4..then Fast MAME..it's a single core 1.4ghz with 384 Mb of DDR ram and a 40Gb (IDE) HHD...so it's slow...but the different versions of mame allow me to run almost everything..yes even KI and MK at full speed.

                          But back to topic...
                          umm..I have a dumb question embarrassed
                          so this core here what exactly is it? I have been watching it for sometime..and I gather it is a version of mame (core) to get games to play..or run better (in a nutshell) I do want to try it out..any value on it over the mame 2003 core over all?
                          guess i need to break down and try it out huh? lol it is in the retroarch get hub page right?..or downloadable from the retroarch gui?

                          People want things easy...but then complain that life is boring...

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                          • mediamogulM
                            mediamogul Global Moderator @akafox
                            last edited by mediamogul

                            @akafox said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                            so this core here what exactly is it?

                            lr-mame2003-plus 'backports' features and fixes that were added later than the 2003 version of MAME (0.78). These additions include new playable games, as well as fixes to issues that were exclusive to the RetroArch port, such as the inability to play Midway MCR games, which was not an issue with the original MAME 0.78. So, basically it adds a grab bag of good stuff from later versions of MAME and puts it all into an older incarnation of MAME that is know to perform well on low-end hardware like the Raspberry Pi.

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                            • akafoxA
                              akafox @mediamogul
                              last edited by akafox

                              @mediamogul ah okay that makes sense just like advance mame did with the cps3 game and a few others...never updated [to a newer version] or "used newer roms" just "updated the code" to run newer games..but same base..(one ting I like about advance mame...).

                              Too bad MS didn't do that with DOS and Windows 3.1..but that's a debate for an entirely different forum xD

                              Thank you for your informative answer..I will defiantly look into it! :D
                              Is there any place there is a list of the roms that work? (retropie wiki maybe?)
                              I tried the mame2003-midway core one time but was told the main core absorbed that hack/fix but this core is not "just midway" roms I take it..

                              People want things easy...but then complain that life is boring...

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                              • mituM
                                mitu Global Moderator @akafox
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                                @akafox said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                Is there any place there is a list of the roms that work? (retropie wiki maybe?)

                                The Changelog has the list of new additions. Check out the 1st post in the topic and the project's github page for more details.

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                                  grant2258 Banned @mitu
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                                  it was me that fixed the midway games on mame2003 and mame2003 plus they work on both cores now

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                                  • mediamogulM
                                    mediamogul Global Moderator @grant2258
                                    last edited by mediamogul

                                    @grant2258

                                    And you should be commended for it. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say thank you. Those particular titles are among the cornerstones of retro-gaming and video game history in general.

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                                    • RiverstormR
                                      Riverstorm
                                      last edited by Riverstorm

                                      Here's an updated list of the ROMs that are new or updated in Plus. New means they are exclusive to only Plus and updated means at least one ROM has been added, removed or modified in the set and is now different. The rest of the games are 100% identical to 2003 (roughly 4,548). I don't have a handy way to convert them back to their full names but I think it's still a useful list.

                                      This list doesn't include fixes for existing ROMs but many of those changes have been merged into 2003. Also there's quite a few custom OST's that have been added that work with parent and clones which are really neat and I believe more will be add down the road.

                                      @grant2258 did some work on the last custom OST that has FLAC support which allowed the samples to be reduced in size by almost 50%. I think FLAC support is a step in the right direction for modern day.

                                      Also @markwkidd did some work to improve vector game support. It's not equal to AdvMAME standards but it's been much improved over 2003.

                                      He also did some work on the Retropad abstraction layer challenges. So "ghosting inputs" have been cleaned up and the ability to do <NOT> mappings has been improved. So you have more input interfaces and some new retropad layouts.

                                      @grant2258 did made some changes to neogeo.zip BIOS file names so you have the ability to merge multiple BIOS file versions of equal name different hashes into one neogeo.zip. Basically you have the ability to use one neogeo.zip file for both cores or possibly 3 cores like FBA too but I haven't tested 3 yet.

                                      Also several minor improvements for games behind the scenes like getting into 'F2', etc. have been fixed.

                                      I am sure to be missing some highlights but to be fair to 2003. It does have 2 games not supported in Plus. I can figure it out if it's important but they weren't major games if I remember.

                                      Also the other day I was messing with After Burner and Outrun and I found 2003 to be smoother and I was able to pull off a barrel roll in 2003 After Burner but I couldn't do the same in Plus. I have no idea why. So basically I use 2003 as a benchmark or for contrast if something isn't working correctly in Plus.

                                      Plus is a great core and if it has a favorite game or feature not supported in 2003 it's definitely worth checking out.

                                      Games new to Plus (133 games):

                                      1943mii.zip
                                      acpsx.zip
                                      airattck.zip
                                      airattcka.zip
                                      arescue.zip
                                      asurabus.zip
                                      avengrgsj.zip
                                      backfire.zip
                                      baryon.zip
                                      bbbuster.zip
                                      boogwing.zip
                                      boogwinga.zip
                                      brapboysj.zip
                                      bsharkjjs.zip
                                      bublbob1.zip
                                      bublboblp.zip
                                      cabala.zip
                                      cabalus.zip
                                      cabalus2.zip
                                      candance.zip
                                      ccastlej.zip
                                      chainrec.zip
                                      charlien.zip
                                      countrb2.zip
                                      crswd2bl.zip
                                      cutefght.zip
                                      darkmist.zip
                                      dblewing.zip
                                      ddream95.zip
                                      deluxe5.zip
                                      denjinmk.zip
                                      dietgo.zip
                                      dietgoe.zip
                                      dietgoj.zip
                                      dietgou.zip
                                      dkongx.zip
                                      dogosokj.zip
                                      downtowj.zip
                                      dreamwld.zip
                                      drgnwrld.zip
                                      dynagear.zip
                                      esckidsj.zip
                                      fixeighb.zip
                                      gaialast.zip
                                      ghostlop.zip
                                      glasskr.zip
                                      gnbarich.zip
                                      gunmast.zip
                                      hachamfb.zip
                                      hcrash.zip
                                      hcrashc.zip
                                      hedpanicf.zip
                                      hedpanico.zip
                                      hookj.zip
                                      hoops96.zip
                                      hsf2a.zip
                                      hvysmsh.zip
                                      hvysmsha.zip
                                      hvysmshj.zip
                                      ikari3nr.zip
                                      inyourfa.zip
                                      ironclad.zip
                                      joemacr.zip
                                      joemacra.zip
                                      kbash2.zip
                                      killbld.zip
                                      kof2001.zip
                                      kof2002.zip
                                      lasthope.zip
                                      lethalen.zip
                                      magdrop.zip
                                      magdropp.zip
                                      matrim.zip
                                      mchampdx.zip
                                      mchampdxa.zip
                                      midresbj.zip
                                      msgogo.zip
                                      mslug4.zip
                                      mslug5.zip
                                      multchmpk.zip
                                      mwarr.zip
                                      nslasherj.zip
                                      nslashers.zip
                                      olds.zip
                                      olds103t.zip
                                      osman.zip
                                      packbang.zip
                                      pktgaldj.zip
                                      pktgaldx.zip
                                      plegends.zip
                                      pnyaa.zip
                                      progear.zip
                                      progearj.zip
                                      pturn.zip
                                      puzlstar.zip
                                      pzloop2j.zip
                                      ragtime.zip
                                      ragtimea.zip
                                      riot.zip
                                      rockn2.zip
                                      rockn3.zip
                                      rockn4.zip
                                      rockna.zip
                                      rolcrush.zip
                                      rotd.zip
                                      sabotnba.zip
                                      samsh5sp.zip
                                      samsho5.zip
                                      sbishi.zip
                                      sbishik.zip
                                      sengoku3.zip
                                      skullfng.zip
                                      skullfngj.zip
                                      sonicbom.zip
                                      suprridr.zip
                                      svcboot.zip
                                      swatpolc.zip
                                      tangtang.zip
                                      teetert.zip
                                      tgm2.zip
                                      tgm2p.zip
                                      thoop.zip
                                      vasara2.zip
                                      vasara2a.zip
                                      vbowl.zip
                                      vbowlj.zip
                                      vmetal.zip
                                      wbmlvc.zip
                                      wcvol95.zip
                                      wcvol95x.zip
                                      wingforc.zip
                                      zintrckb.zip
                                      zupapa.zip
                                      

                                      Updated from 2003 to Plus (39 games):

                                      alcon.zip
                                      avengrgs.zip
                                      bloodwar.zip
                                      bonkadv.zip
                                      brapboys.zip
                                      bubbobr1.zip
                                      bublbobl.zip
                                      bublbobr.zip
                                      cabal.zip
                                      chinagat.zip
                                      countrnb.zip
                                      esckids.zip
                                      fireshrk.zip
                                      fjbuster.zip
                                      gtmr.zip
                                      hachamf.zip
                                      hedpanic.zip
                                      hydrap.zip
                                      hydrap2.zip
                                      jdredd.zip
                                      jdreddb.zip
                                      multchmp.zip
                                      mustache.zip
                                      nbajamex.zip
                                      neogeo.zip
                                      omega.zip
                                      rockn.zip
                                      saiyugou.zip
                                      samesam2.zip
                                      samesame.zip
                                      shogwarr.zip
                                      slapfigh.zip
                                      tdragon.zip
                                      titlef.zip
                                      tmekprot.zip
                                      vimana.zip
                                      vimana1.zip
                                      vimanan.zip
                                      winspike.zip
                                      
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                                        grant2258 Banned @Riverstorm
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                                        The analog problem was fixed yesterday

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                                        • RiverstormR
                                          Riverstorm @grant2258
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                                          @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                          The analog problem was fixed yesterday

                                          Thanks, I just updated from source and they perform identical now.

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                                            gizmobjb
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                                            I can't get most of the chd games to work. Is there a trick to get them running. I have them in the arcade folder with the roms, and they are each in separate folders with names matching the rom names.

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