Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.

Folly

@adambegood
Setting it up, for now :

/opt/retropie/configs/coleco/emulators.cfg (add) :

openmsx-colecovision = "/opt/retropie/emulators/openmsx/bin/openmsx -machine 'ColecoVision' %ROM%"
openmsx-colecovision_sgm = "/opt/retropie/emulators/openmsx/bin/openmsx -machine 'ColecoVision_SGM' %ROM%"

I added the BIOS files like this, seems ok :
/home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/openmsx/machines/colecovision/COLECO.ROM
/home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/openmsx/machines/colecovision_sgm/BIOS_XP.ROM ( BIOS name has probably changed : check this link )

AdamBeGood

@folly said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

@adambegood
Setting it up, for now :

/opt/retropie/configs/coleco/emulators.cfg (add) :
openmsx-colecovision = "/opt/retropie/emulators/openmsx/bin/openmsx -machine 'ColecoVision' %ROM%"
openmsx-colecovision_sgm = "/opt/retropie/emulators/openmsx/bin/openmsx -machine 'ColecoVision_SGM' %ROM%"
I added the BIOS files like this, seems ok :
/home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/openmsx/machines/colecovision/COLECO.ROM
/home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/openmsx/machines/colecovision_sgm/BIOS_XP.ROM

@Folly You legend! You don’t let things go! Superb work, I can’t try this now but I’ll have a good play tomorrow.

Edit: I am at work so haven't been able to test extensively, but it works! Black Onyx works fine for me, and everything else I've tried. Both machines work well! Amazing.

barbudreadmon

@Folly @AdamBeGood Did you check if FBNeo was available for coleco on pi4 ? All those games you mentioned are working wonderfully with FBNeo for me. It might be a solid alternative to openmsx if this one doesn't support all the eye-candy features from retroarch. It requires matching romsets though (the dat file is here)

Folly

@barbudreadmon

Using openMSX was a coincident, otherwise I had tried your method first.
I will check FBNeo soon and report my findings.

Folly

@barbudreadmon

Did a fast try with FBNeo on 4 games, looks pretty good also ;-)
Cheers !

Folly

@adambegood

Looks like we made quite some progress here.

Would be nice if you could make a summarize in your first post on what we discovered in this thread ?

AdamBeGood

@folly said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

@adambegood

Looks like we made quite some progress here.

Would be nice if you could make a summarize in your first post on what we discovered in this thread ?

Let me do this when I am on a computer next, but I’ll do that.

DTEAM

@adambegood

Mame standalone, Lr-Mess and lr-FBNeo are, for me, the best 3 emulators for Coleco. If you are using the FBNeo romset, you will be able to run those emulators and run "Mame Cheat Codes" . Why MAME Standalone: because controllers are really easy to set like you want.

Folly

@dteam said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

@adambegood

Mame standalone, Lr-Mess and lr-FBNeo are, for me, the best 3 emulators for Coleco. If you are using the FBNeo romset, you will be able to run those emulators and run "Mame Cheat Codes" . Why MAME Standalone: because controllers are really easy to set like you want.

Indeed, we never looked at those emu's from the start,
and for sure, I had to know haha. 😊
But indeed you have good arguments. 👍

cheat codes
easy controller setup

We will look at MAME and lr-mess too.

Folly

I did some tests but it seems some FBNeo roms are still 32kb files, like black onyx.
These files are zipped, so I had no idea this one was 32kb.
So I discovered that this version works also on lr-bluemsx.

I did some tests too with MAME/lr-mess but it seems I used the 32kb version.
So I removed the post I had written about this.

Based on the "thread issue" it seems that perhaps we are, unintentional, drifting away from what the point was.
Running 64kb+ roms on the emulators.

We have to take a second look at this now !

Folly

I have done some FBNeo-romset unpacking to discover the big roms.
The ones with the sgm in the name are big ones that can be tested.

So I tested dlairsgm.zip with FBNeo, and this worked !
Doesn't work when unpacked though !

Also tested this rom with MAME, the rom boots but I get this screen later on :

@DTEAM,
Can you run the 64kb+ games on MAME/lr-mess ?

barbudreadmon

@folly yes, FBNeo supports "Super Game Module" games, i don't know how many other coleco emulators does. I remember support for those games was pretty rare when we implemented it 2 years ago. Since this SGM stuff is kinda a hack on original hardware, it might be against MAME policy to add it ?

DTEAM

@folly said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

@DTEAM,
Can you run the 64kb+ games on MAME/lr-mess ?

For dlair, I'm able to go here, but no further with lr-mess

lr-mess-cmd = "/opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch --config /opt/retropie/configs/coleco/retroarch.cfg -v -L /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mess_libretro.so %ROM%"

AdamBeGood

@folly said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

@adambegood

Looks like we made quite some progress here.

Would be nice if you could make a summarize in your first post on what we discovered in this thread ?

I've done that now :)

Folly

@dteam @AdamBeGood @barbudreadmon

For those who have no idea, this is how we install ColecoVision for MAME and lr-mess with our module-script generator :

Generate the module-scripts for Coleco ( Install MAME and lr-mess first !) :

curl "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/FollyMaddy/RetroPie-Share/main/00-scripts-00/generate-systems-lr-mess_mame-2v0-alpha.sh" | bash -s coleco

And install the -cart1 and the -cmd module-scripts in the RetroPie-Setup.
Place BIOS in : /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame/coleco.zip

For the system "Coleco" I had no luck with the lr-mess-cmd and mame-cmd.
I used these lines running the normal roms or the FBNeo roms (zipped or not zipped) :

lr-mess-system-coleco-cart = "/home/pi/RetroPie-Setup/scriptmodules/run_mess.sh /opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mess_libretro.so /opt/retropie/configs/coleco/retroarch.cfg \coleco /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame -autoframeskip -cart %ROM%"
mame-system-coleco-cart = "/opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -v -c coleco -cart %ROM%"

But with these I get the error screen from post 35 !

This made me wonder why don't I use the system "Adam" (Coleco Adam) for this rom.
So I generated the module-scripts for adam :

Generate the module-scripts for Adam (Coleco Adam) ( Install MAME and lr-mess first !) :

curl "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/FollyMaddy/RetroPie-Share/main/00-scripts-00/generate-systems-lr-mess_mame-2v0-alpha.sh" | bash -s adam

And install the -cart1 and the -cmd module-scripts in the RetroPie-Setup.
Place BIOS in : /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame/coleco.zip (Adam seems to use the same file)

Using the system "Adam" I can run dlairsgm.zip or dragon-s-lair-2012.romnow from the coleco rom directory, using :
(edit : updated my script, adam is now recognised as colecovision, that way it is using the coleco rom directory now !)

lr-mess-system-adam-cart1 = "/home/pi/RetroPie-Setup/scriptmodules/run_mess.sh 
/opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mess_libretro.so /opt/retropie/configs/adam/retroarch.cfg \adam /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame -autoframeskip -cart1 %ROM%"
mame-system-adam-cart1 = "/opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -v -c adam -cart1 %ROM%"

Turns out not all 64kb+ roms will run in Adam, see list 41

Folly

@AdamBeGood

Don't know if you use the correct information in your first post.
More investigation has to done on what openMSX actually uses !

For openMSX I used the normal one :

pi@raspberrypi:~/RetroPie/BIOS $ sha1sum coleco.rom
45bedc4cbdeac66c7df59e9e599195c778d86a92  coleco.rom

The same as (lr-bluemsx directory):

pi@raspberrypi:~/RetroPie/BIOS/Machines/COL - ColecoVision $ sha1sum *
45bedc4cbdeac66c7df59e9e599195c778d86a92  coleco.rom

This one is different (lr-bluemsx directory) :

pi@raspberrypi:~/RetroPie/BIOS/Machines/COL - ColecoVision w Super Game Module $ sha1sum *
ec9cdc3f1deffe9421415ebcb4bc7125ab081726  BIOS_XP.ROM

I did some more investigation, seems both systems use the same normal coleco.rom :

pi@raspberrypi:~/RetroPie/BIOS $ /opt/retropie/emulators/openmsx/bin/openmsx -machine "ColecoVision"
progress: Searching for file with sha1sum 45bedc4cbdeac66c7df59e9e599195c778d86a92...

/opt/retropie/emulators/openmsx/bin/openmsx -machine "ColecoVision_SGM"
progress: Searching for file with sha1sum 45bedc4cbdeac66c7df59e9e599195c778d86a92...

Turns out we just can use :
/home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/openmsx/machines/colecovision/coleco.rom
No need for :
/home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/openmsx/machines/colecovision_sgm/<the rom file>

Folly

Here is a list of all 64kb+ roms here, made by me.
It's made to make a good comparison on what works, on what emulator, using the same rom crc32 checksums :

black-onyx-the-2013 - dddd1396
- lr-mess (adam) : Expansion Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : blackonyx.zip : ok
  (updated by @barbudreadmon, use the source code install of FBNeo)
boxxle-2015 - 62dacf07
- lr-mess (adam) : Expansion Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : boots but has eprom failure error O
- FBNeo : boxxle.zip : ok
ghostbusters-2018 - fc935cdd
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : Expansion Module error O
- FBNeo : ghostbst.zip : ok (cannot pass inserting numbers for account/new account, "key 0" not found yet) => link_to_quick_solution
  (updated by @barbudreadmon, use the source code install of FBNeo)
MarioBros (2008) (CollectorVision) - 2e09af0a
- lr-mess (adam) : ok (adding credit's works using "numkey 5")
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok (adding credit's seems in a strange place, works using "key g")
- FBNeo : mario.zip : ok (adding credit's seems in a strange place, not found yet) => link_to_quick_solution
mario-brothers-2009 - 11777b27
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : Expansion Module error O
- FBNeo : mariob.zip : ok (adding credit's seems in a strange place, not found yet) => link_to_quick_solution
  (updated by @barbudreadmon, use the source code install of FBNeo)
children-of-the-night-2018 - 55b36d53
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : (cotn.zip) : ok
deep-dungeon-adventure-2017 - 77900970
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : deepdngadv.zip : ok
Donkey_Kong_Jr_SGM - 644124f6
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : dkongjrsgm.zip : ok
Donkey_Kong_SGM - b3e62471
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : dkongsgm.zip : ok
goonies-the-2012 - 01581fa8
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : goonies.zip : ok
knightmare-2015 - 01cacd0d
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : kngtmare.zip : ok
kung-fu-master-2016 - a078f273
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : ? have different 128kb version -> 441693fd <--
  (not updated by @barbudreadmon) --> link_to_reason
kungfumstr_sgm - 441693fd
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : kungfumstr.zip : ok
mecha-8-2013 - 53da40bc
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : mecha8.zip : ok
pac-man-collection-2008 - f3ccacb3
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : pacmancol.zip : ok
qbiqs-2019 - ee530ad2
- lr-mess (adam) : ok but no y-.... detected so no ingame music
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : qbiqs.zip : ok
secret-of-the-moai-2018 - b753a8ca
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : moai.zip : ok
spelunker-2015 - 75f84889
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : spelunker.zip : ok
  (updated by @barbudreadmon, use the source code install of FBNeo)
subroc-super-game-2014 - eac71b43
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : subrocsgm.zip : ok
super-space-acer-2011 - ae209065
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : suprspac.zip : ok
  (updated by @barbudreadmon, use the source code install of FBNeo)
the-stone-of-wisdom-2015 - 342c73ca
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : ? have different 128kb version -> ba2e3fea <--
  (not updated by @barbudreadmon) --> link_to_reason
Stone of Wisdom (2015) (Team Pixelboy) - ba2e3fea
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : stonew.zip : ok
thexder-2012 - 09e3fdda
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : thexder.zip : ok
twinbee-2014 - e7e07a70
- lr-mess (adam) : Requires Super Game Module error M
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : twinbee.zip : ok
uridium-2019 - bc8320a0
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : uridium.zip : ok
zaxxon-super-game-2012 - a5a90f63
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : zaxxonsgm.zip : ok
zombie-incident-2018 - 8027dad7
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : zombieinc.zip : ok
zombie-near-2012 - c36c017e
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : zombnear.zip : ok
  (I could not test, but should be ok)
zombie-near-2012 - c89d281d
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : zombnearb.zip : ok
  (updated by @barbudreadmon, use the source code install of FBNeo)
buck-rogers-super-game-2013 - c4f1a85a
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : buckrogsgm.zip : ok
dragon-s-lair-2012 - 12ceee08
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : dlairsgm.zip : ok
gauntlet-2019 - 652d533e
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : gauntlet.zip : ok
mecha-9-2016 - b405591a
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : mecha9.zip : ok
princess-quest-2012 - a59eaa2b
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : pquest.zip : ok
Tank Mission (CollectorVision)(2017) - d0f37969
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : tankmission.zip : ok
wizard-of-wor-2018 - d9207f30
- lr-mess (adam) : ok
- openMSX (ColecoVision_SGM) : ok
- FBNeo : wow.zip : ok

Conclusions :

lr-mess(adam) : 25/36 work
- can load normal roms and from FBNeo rom-sets (with this setup)
MAME(adam): not tested but should have the same results as lr-mess(adam)
openMSX : 33/36 work
- can load normal roms and from FBNeo rom-sets
FBNeo : 34/36 work
- can only load from FBNeo rom-sets (with this setup)
- using coleco num-pad key's can be an issue sometimes
- do a source-code install, in RetroPie-Setup, to play the updated games
- the source code installation of FBNeo takes about 25 minutes on a pi4
- for the source code installation, the supported games can be found in the latest dat file : link_to_dat_file
Coolcv :
- closed source
- doesn't work yet on the pi4
Sound of FBNeo VS openMSX :
- FBNeo has better sound than openMSX
- The audio of openMSX is acceptable though

AdamBeGood

@folly I updated the top post. Don't all games work with openmsx? I am not sure what doesn't.

Folly

@adambegood said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

@folly I updated the top post. Don't all games work with openmsx? I am not sure what doesn't.

That is what I wanted to know too.
I completed the list for lr-mess and openMSX.

barbudreadmon

@folly out of curiosity i was looking at openmsx code, nothing unusual with the sound on sgm games ? i see their ay8910 emulation is based on very old mame code (mame 0.37), not sure how good this sound chip emulation was at the time.