Playing X68000 games with MIDI music

kelvfimer

@ecto No worries take your time. Basically is the timidity.cfg file that is sourcing another cfg file for the sf2 in this case SC55.cfg. I found one on internet but I wanted to know how to build it. thx

ecto

@kelvfimer Now that you mention it: iirc I just put the sc55 soundfont directly into the timidity.cfg file right at the end, replacing any soundfont entered there.
Of course it's important to have a soundfont resembling the original sc55, if you want it to sound like in the video.
Mine was from a doom9 (sp?) forum post, which tried to be a close to the sc55 as possible. Look for zz_denis.

Folly

@ecto

I had a look at this too running it on my pi4.

Problem with your first post is that there seems to be no real good tutorial link.
Nevertheless I got it working searching.
A good link to install munt was found over here.
I used these flags instead :

export CCFLAGS="-O2 -march=native"
export CXXFLAGS="-O2 -march=native"

That way you will be able to compile on much more devices.
Perhaps an idea to do the tutorial directly in your first post.
I know there is one on the forum but that one is too old and only for PI3.

Anyway, I missed explicitly that you either have to choose between MT-32 and Timidity, though along the way it became obvious.
If you go for timidity you don't even have to install munt, just install timidity with (if it is not installed):

sudo apt install timidity

So I find it strange that you load both in the runcommand-onstart.sh.
I would only add one depending on what the choice is.

Btw. isn't it better to put the pkill commands in the runcommand-onend.sh, looks like it's a typo, right ?

Finding the configs was also a search, found that they are in /etc/timidity/ and have to be edited as root user.
In the configs you will also find the folder where to put the SC55 sf file (also as root user).

So I tested SC55 with timidity using SC55_zzdenis_v0.5.sf2 using fluidr3_gm.cfg as a base for sc55.cfg and replacing the soundfont with the SC55 one.
(so running option 3 in the game and using midi_output = "TiMidity port 0" in de retroarch.cfg overriding only for x68000 in /opt/retropie/configs/x68000)

And I tested MT32 with munt.
(so running option 2 in the game and using midi_output = "Standard" in de retroarch.cfg overriding overriding only for x68000 in /opt/retropie/configs/x68000)

My experience is that MT-32 sounds much better and left and right volume is more even that with SC55(timidity)
Timidity stutters sometimes and left volume is too low.

Hope you don't mind some positive feedback, at least that's how is meant.

kelvfimer

Hello @Folly

I do not agree the guide is ok and thx to @ecto I was able to enable midi at pk68x.

For better sound you have to use the cfg from this page https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=21644 it sound good but not super good. I renamed it as sc55.cfg and I refer to it from the timidity.cfg file

The thing that I wanted to check with @ecto is , how is the cfg file made?

thx
Kind Regards

ecto

@Folly Thanks for your feedback. Also the updated munt installation procedure!

I'm back at my Pi and tested a little more.
Munt (mt32d) has a problem with my setup: as soon as I start the demon I constantly get a lot of Output Buffer Underrun errors. There might be something wrong with my ALSA setup. Idk how to get rid of it... :( Also there seems to be a very big delay between when the music is supposed to start and when ist starts (about 3s-5s).

@kelvfimer I've looked in my timidity.cfg and the only entry I have there is this

soundfont "/usr/share/sounds/sf2/SC55.sf2"

where SC55.sf2 is the zzdenis soundfont renamed.

I think the output sounds good, there is no delay in the sounds, but I get the occasional Buffer Underrun error.
If anyone of you know, what the problem might be, please tell me ;)

Ah, and I found that I needed to install pulseaudio to have the PX68k core work with sound at all when the midi demons are running.

Folly

@ecto

From what I know pulseaudio is the default nowadays.
Though that part is always a bit of mystery to me.

I will play with it again if I can.

Btw. I have a Roland E-38 keyboard and was curious if I could get something out of it.
With this command :

aconnect -l

I was able to find the ports and directly connect it from within the configs of lr-pk68k, so without using timidity or munt. (did it on my pi5)

Sound was a bit better as from timidity with sc55.
Though it looks like lr-pk68k is not perfect in outputting the midi stream.

mitu

@Folly said in Playing X68000 games with MIDI music:

From what I know pulseaudio is the default nowadays.

No, PipeWire is the new kid on the block (!), though it offers a PulseAudio compatible API so that programs think they talk to a PulseAudio server.

Folly

@mitu said in Playing X68000 games with MIDI music:

@Folly said in Playing X68000 games with MIDI music:

From what I know pulseaudio is the default nowadays.

No, PipeWire is the new kid on the block (!), though it offers a PulseAudio compatible API so that programs think they talk to a PulseAudio server.

Ah, good to know, thanks !

Folly

@ecto

I discovered something but not tested it yet.
When selecting option 2 MT-32 it uses "LA Format" and when selecting option 3 it uses "GS Format".

I recon that when using option 3 (SC55) you have to use this in the core options :

px68k_midi_type = "GS"

Something to test don't you think ?

Some info over here about GS :
https://www.cybermidi.com/helpdesk/knowledgebase.php?article=47

Edit :
(tests done with selecting option 3 in the game and using timidity with SC55)
Tested the core option with the midi tree version, as that version has the px68k_midi_type core option, but seems to have no impact.
Also tested the original lr-pk68k version which doesn't have the px68k_midi_type core option and there seems to be no difference in the sound quality versus the "midi tree version"

kelvfimer

@ecto Hello pls check the attached cfg file in the url https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=21644

An extract is the following. So I assume you don't set up the bank line, Am I right?

dir your sf2 folder

soundfont "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" amp=100 pan= modpitch=0
soundfont "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" amp=100 pan= fc=8000 q=25
bank 0
0 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 0
1 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 1
2 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 2
3 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 3
4 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 4
5 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 5
6 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 6
7 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 7
8 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 8
9 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 9
10 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 10
11 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 11
12 %font "DJ Tony's Roland SC-55 1.1.sf2" 0 12

Folly

@ecto @kelvfimer

As far as I can see now it's quite obvious that the code of both the "original master" and the "midi tree" have issues with midi, revealing in tempo changes.

I connected my real Roland E-38 synthesizer keyboard to my PI5 and tested MAME and the original lr-px68k.

On my PI4 it became clear that both "original master" and the "midi tree" have the same issue so I figured I could just use the original master.
My keyboard detected "GS mode" with both emulators so that is OK.
This makes it also clear that the "original master" can provide the GS mode.

With MAME I have almost perfect sound from the keyboard, it sounds really great :-) !
With lr-px68k I had tempo changes again :-( .

This makes it clear that the issues are mostly coming from the lr-px68k core.

Using timidity was also better with MAME but I still have more volume on the right side.
Seems to be a timidity problem.

For mame I used this runcommand adding midi and outputting it to my keyboard :

/opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame\;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x68000 -v -c -ui_active -statename x68000/"akumajou dracula (1993)(konami)(disk 1 of 2)" x68000  -flop1 "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x68000/akumajou dracula (1993)(konami)(disk 1 of 2).dim" -flop2 "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x68000/akumajou dracula (1993)(konami)(disk 2 of 2).dim" -exp1 x68k_midi -midiout 'USB Device 0x1acc:0x0a MIDI 1'

or using basename :

/opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame\;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x68000 -v -c -ui_active -statename x68000/"akumajo" x68000   "akumajo" -exp1 x68k_midi -midiout 'TiMidity port 0'

In the last runcommand you can also see that the option -midiout can also hold the timidity port and can be used in both runcommands.

Folly

@kelvfimer

I tested the first timidity.cfg for DJ Tony's SC-55 sound-font from here.
Renamed the config to DJ_Tony_Roland_SC-55_1.1.cfg and placed that config inside the timidity.cfg.
Also used that soundfont.
Added the proper dir inside DJ_Tony_Roland_SC-55_1.1.cfg :

dir /usr/share/sounds/sf2

And removed the line holding --rtsyn-latency=0.04 as timidity didn't understand it.

Now I have a proper sc-55 config and left and right volume is in balance and has proper stereo.

Edit 1:
Converting the config for use with the zz_denis soundfont works perfectly.

Edit 2:
I can now also confirm that this setup works on my x86_64 VM with running on lr-px68k.
No timing issues whatsoever so lr-px68k seems to do the job OK on a regular PC's.

kelvfimer

@Folly Cool. So it's also working for you :) .

My point is how to set up that timidity.cfg and sd.cfg what's the way to tune it etc.

I wanted to have the same for SC88 but I don't find it.

My demand to @ecto is help to know how to build the timidity.cfg file and the SCXX.cfg file

thx

Folly

@kelvfimer

Here is the manual where you might find some useful information.

ecto

@kelvfimer said in Playing X68000 games with MIDI music:

My point is how to set up that timidity.cfg and sd.cfg what's the way to tune it etc.

As I've written before: The only (uncommented) line in my timidity.cfg is:

soundfont "/usr/share/sounds/sf2/SC55.sf2"

I have no SC55.cfg of any kind. Maybe my midi output is not configured correctly, but I can hear midi music in several x68000 and pc98 games. They seem so sound correctly, but indeed I also have a slightly irregular midi output (it sometimes slows down for some notes).

The only real problem I have are buffer underrun errors in the logs. I'm not sure if that corresponds to the timing issues, but it might.
I'm not sure how to get rid of them, but I would think that the midi daemons have to run in or close to real time.

ecto

@Folly @kelvfimer Just a small thing I noticed: the tempo changes with the lr-p68k core seem to have gotten a little better after I changed the cpu frequency in the core settings to 25MHz. Maybe you can try that, too.

kelvfimer

@ecto cool I need to check :) thx for the advice . Only issue for example Castlevania at 25 MHz has glitches and you must run it at 10 MHZ

kelvfimer

@ecto @Folly I was speaking to a guy that fixed Etoile Princess and added some MIDI enhancement in the Core. The changes are already uploaded to px68k core. So update the core :)