Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?

dankcushions

@Riverstorm said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

@dankcushions said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

works for me. are you using the latest version? i fixed this stuff semi-recently. you might need to rebuild from source.

I downloaded the source code from RetroPie Setup. Is there a Wiki on the steps to compile it? I did a search and found steps for 2010 but not 2003.

that's all done for you by retropie-setup as part of the update/install from source process. downloading the raw source would take seconds.

I saw a lot of errors similar to this downloading the source. Is that fairly typical more like warnings of defined unused variables?
src/vidhrdw/konamiic.c:6347:24: warning: variable âsrc_moduloâ set but not used [-Wunused-but-set-variable]
  int count, src_pitch, src_modulo;
                        ^

typical of old code :) warnings are 'fine'. errors will cause the compile to fail.

oh, depending on your version of retropie you may also need to update retroarch (from binaries is fine).

Riverstorm

@dankcushions said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

oh, depending on your version of retropie you may also need to update retroarch (from binaries is fine).

Thanks Dank, I am mainly using 3.7 would that require a Retroarch upgrade?

Also should the left and right analog sticks and the XBOX action button (silver button in center) work or is that a feature request? :) I used them frequently in my TAB--General Input Configuration for MAME. Referring to lr-mame2003 of course as it does work in mame4all-pi, lr-imame4all and AdvMAME.

Riverstorm

@dankcushions The new source fixed the history.dat issue. Very nice! There's some good information in the history.dat. Cheats work great.

Everything works except using the analog sticks and XBOX button in the Configure Input menu. Is their a way to enable them or is that an enhancement that might come in the future?

Nice job with lr-mame2003! Have a great holiday weekend if it applies! ;)

Riverstorm

@dankcushions & @caver01 Artwork does work with the new source.

mediamogul

@Riverstorm said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

Artwork does work with the new source.

Very nice to hear. Is there any noticeable slowdown?

EDIT:

Everything works except using the analog sticks and XBOX button in the Configure Input menu. Is their a way to enable them?

As a temporary solution to this problem, I have mapped the left and right analog sticks, as well as the XBox button to read as keyboard input and it works very well.

mediamogul

After updating RetroArch from binary, lr-mame2003 from source, adding a complete 'artwork' folder to /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003/ and changing the name of /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003/sample to 'samples', I neither have artwork or samples functioning. Are they now meant to be enabled somewhere with this newest version?

Riverstorm

@mediamogul said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

Very nice to hear. Is there any noticeable slowdown?

As far as I can tell there isn't any slowdown. I know this is a bit simplified but artwork is more like a wallpaper. Something I wasn't even aware of was the ability to set the translucency of the artwork. Thanks to Caver for a great tutorial on vector based games.

As a temporary solution to this problem, I have mapped the left and right analog sticks, as well as the XBox button to read as keyboard input and it works very well.

I think getting the analog sticks working would be a tremendous asset as they can be used for the management function (TAB menu) but also they may be utilized for several dual joystick games like Crazy Climber, Cloak & Dagger, Karate Champ, Robotron, Smash T.V., Total Carnage, Batte Zone, Front Line (I think this one required a spinner too). It basically allows you to play those games with a joystick like the XBOX or PS.

After updating RetroArch from binary, lr-mame2003 from source, adding a complete 'artwork' folder to /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003/ and changing the name of /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003/sample to 'samples', I neither have artwork or samples functioning. Are they now meant to be enabled somewhere with this newest version?

No, if you have them in the correct folders (which they look right) you should be good to go. :)

mediamogul

@Riverstorm said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

It basically allows you to play those games with a joystick like the XBOX or PS.

Re-reading what I wrote, I realized it was a little ambiguous and perhaps you knew exactly what I meant, but what I was trying to express was that I've mapped the analog sticks of my gamepad to output keyboard keys so that use of the sticks can register in MAME for the games you mentioned. This works out quite nicely as those games don't rely on the full analog range that is lost in that particular solution. Of course getting those sticks to register without a workaround would be most ideal. I logged a report about the issue, but at the time I was under the impression that it just affected the right joystick. This is likely because I have RetroArch configured to duplicate the DPad control to the left analog stick.

About the samples and artwork, I just can't seem to get that working. I'm going to try installing the required pieces again to see if I missed something along the way. If that doesn't work, I'll probably open up a separate topic for my issue as this thread is likely to suffer an identity crisis with any additional topics of conversation. If I do, I'd appreciate your input on the matter, if you have any thoughts.

caver01

@Riverstorm said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

Front Line (I think this one required a spinner too).

Frontline (I used to love playing this in the arcade) originally had a big rotary dial to aim your gun. It clicked as you rotated it to aim the gun in 8 directions and was also a pushbutton (push to fire). This is nearly impossible to play with arcade controls unless you have the dial described, but I could see how using two sticks and LR shoulder buttons on a hand-held controller might work.

mediamogul

I was pleased to see him make mention of 'Cloak & Dagger'. I love the

and the game. I'm considering going to this year's 'Mid-Atlantic Nostalgia Convention' to ask Dabne Coleman why they never released a 'Cloak & Dagger' breakfast cereal.

Riverstorm

@caver01 said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

Frontline (I used to love playing this in the arcade) originally had a big rotary dial to aim your gun. It clicked as you rotated it to aim the gun in 8 directions and was also a pushbutton (push to fire). This is nearly impossible to play with arcade controls unless you have the dial described, but I could see how using two sticks and LR shoulder buttons on a hand-held controller might work.

Ah, that's right! You have to love the classics. I did grab a copy of Ready Player One from Ernest Cline you said was a classic. I will give it a read through this fall/winter when spending more time indoors. We have tough winters here so you have to take advantage of these nice long warm light days getting those outdoor projects done. :)

@mediamogul

to ask Dabne Coleman why they never released a 'Cloak & Dagger' breakfast cereal.

The true mysteries of the universe! :) Is he still alive, he must be as old as dirt. Some good old movies but another classic from that era is War Games with Dabney Coleman, Matthew Broderick and Ally Sheedy.

mediamogul

@Riverstorm said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

he must be as old as dirt

He was actually around to beta test the stuff that ended up becoming dirt. He looks great for a guy his age though. I love his movies and I hope I can work out the trip to meet him in September. You're in for a HUGE treat with 'Ready Player One'. I'll likely end up reading it a third time before Spielberg's movie adaptation comes out.

Riverstorm

@mediamogul said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

About the samples and artwork, I just can't seem to get that working. I'm going to try installing the required pieces again to see if I missed something along the way. If that doesn't work, I'll probably open up a separate topic for my issue as this thread is likely to suffer an identity crisis with any additional topics of conversation. If I do, I'd appreciate your input on the matter, if you have any thoughts.

I don't have a lot of input here. What I did was an update from the RetroPie setup. It took like 30 to 45 minutes it seemed. Nothing special as it downloads, compiles, etc. It's a one-click upgrade. Very nice!

I created those two folders "artwork" and "samples" and then copied files over. The only thing I can think of is they are not the correct versions/names possibly?

mediamogul

@Riverstorm said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

The only thing I can think of is they are not the correct versions/names possibly?

That's really all it can be. I'll reinstall everything later today and hope for the best.

caver01

@Riverstorm said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

Ah, that's right! You have to love the classics. I did grab a copy of Ready Player One from Ernest Cline you said was a classic. I will give it a read through this fall/winter when spending more time indoors.

It's a fun read for sure! I recommend the Audio book version too. Just make sure you read it before the movie comes out (2018, so you have time).

Riverstorm

@mediamogul said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

@Riverstorm said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

The only thing I can think of is they are not the correct versions/names possibly?

That's really all it can be. I'll reinstall everything later today and hope for the best.

I spoke a bit to soon. I must have been in the wrong MAME since they all show the same ES icon. I have 3, one for lr-imame4all, AdvMAME and lr-mame2003. I think the only way to tell the difference is knowing your gamelist and when you launch a game and you briefly see the emulator started. Right now my AdvMAME and lr-mame2003 are almost identical. Anyway I don't have samples or artwork working either.

I verified the samples with both the Wiki DAT:

https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/Managing-ROMs

I also used the official MAME 0.78 executable to create a DAT.

Both show dkong.zip should contain:

effect00.wav
effect01.wav
effect02.wav

When running the game it's missing sounds when the Donkey Kong is stomping the girders in the intro. It's also missing the running and jumping sounds.

I also re-checked Solar Quest and the artwork does not work. The zip is solarq.zip. The files contained within are:

solarbez.png
solarmsk.png
solarq.art
solarq.png

I am using the same artwork for AdvMAME which has the dark blue translucent backdrop and red/yellow colored circles.

Can anyone that does have it working verify the sample names and if it Donkey Kong or another game does have working sound samples in lr-mame2003? (CRC doesn't matter with samples just the proper name).

dankcushions

@Riverstorm where are your samples/artwork? see https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/lr-mame2003#samples for the correct location for samples. artwork isn't documented, but it's in the same place (although in .../artwork rather than .../samples)

mediamogul

@dankcushions

Neither are working for me currently, assuming the location for those directories is still /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003/.

dankcushions

@mediamogul said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

@dankcushions

Neither are working for me currently, assuming the location for those directories is still /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003/.

the link i just posted tells you the full location :)

Riverstorm

@dankcushions said in Need guidance: Best MAME emulator to use for classic 80's games?:

@Riverstorm where are your samples/artwork? see https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/wiki/lr-mame2003#samples for the correct location for samples. artwork isn't documented, but it's in the same place (although in .../artwork rather than .../samples)

Sorry, yes they are located in /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003/samples and /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame2003/artwork.