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    stoo
    last edited by 24 Jan 2018, 22:11

    Interestingly, the hardware ID of the Buffalo controller is HID\VID_0583&PID_2060&REV_0100.

    VendorID 0x583 is a company called Rockfire, which leads us to...

    https://rockfire.com.tw/en/products/pc-gameing/gamepad/51-qf-109u-mjolnir.html

    So the controller is a rebadge of a Taiwanese controller, which is hardly a surprise.

    J 1 Reply Last reply 24 Jan 2018, 22:14 Reply Quote 1
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      jonnykesh @stoo
      last edited by 24 Jan 2018, 22:14

      @stoo So, are the older ones just rebranded Rockfire or is this a recent thing? I can't check mine as it died a few months ago.

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        stoo @jonnykesh
        last edited by 24 Jan 2018, 22:26

        @jonnykesh Both the iBuffalo 801 and the Buffalo 815 have identical hardware IDs. It's almost certainly the same chip in both of them. I'm guessing Buffalo saw a gap in the Japanese market, went out and found an existing manufacturer who made SNES-type controllers of good-enough quality and said "Just put Buffalo on these and we'll sell them under our brand".

        J 1 Reply Last reply 24 Jan 2018, 22:31 Reply Quote 1
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          jonnykesh @stoo
          last edited by 24 Jan 2018, 22:31

          @stoo Mine was an 801 (BSGP801). Honestly I have never seen the Rockfire for sale in Europe. I checked my local Amazon and they aren't there. Someone is missing a trick and a lot of money. These things went from a tenner up to £20 on Amazon as RetroPie became more and more popular. They probably cost about a dollar a piece to put together.

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            stoo
            last edited by 24 Jan 2018, 22:47

            Yeah, they're probably only sold in Asia. You can buy them on Taobao (Chinese eBay type site):

            https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4004-9946732977.8.1834c87dZ8KMVO&id=548548202517

            79.80 Chinese Yuan equals £8.79 according to Google which is still expensive for this type of controller. I mean, look at the crap on eBay - you can pick up TWO completely useless, no-brand SNES-type controllers for less than £6.

            It's just a shame that the Rockfire/Buffalo controllers have this flaw. Even with this flaw they're among the best of a (very) bad bunch!

            J 1 Reply Last reply 24 Jan 2018, 22:51 Reply Quote 1
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              jonnykesh @stoo
              last edited by 24 Jan 2018, 22:51

              @stoo They are great (with flaws). I loved mine, was going to replace it until I saw the prices they are going for at the minute. I'm not a tight-ass, but they just aren't worth the price being asked right now, and I'm not a fool. Other options are available!
              I think iBuffalo just marketed them really well. I still have the box mine came in because I thought it was kinda cool and high quality packaging.

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                stoo
                last edited by 28 Jan 2018, 19:09

                Did a little more digging...

                Out of interest, I git cloned evhz (https://gitlab.com/iankelling/evhz) to my RPi3 and ran it with the Buffalo controller connected. This is what appeared over the course of around 15 seconds (I couldn't figure out how to make evhz add timestamps). I was not touching the controller at all during this time:

                event0: USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average     0Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    62Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    42Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    62Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    50Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     3Hz, Average    62Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest    62Hz, Average    54Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    55Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    63Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    56Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    63Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    57Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    63Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    67Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    71Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest    11Hz, Average    74Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    70Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    73Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     6Hz, Average    76Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    73Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    75Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    72Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    74Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    71Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    73Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    70Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    72Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     2Hz, Average    74Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    72Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     6Hz, Average    73Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    71Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    73Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    71Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     3Hz, Average    72Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    70Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     1Hz, Average    72Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    70Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    71Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     4Hz, Average    73Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    71Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    72Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     3Hz, Average    73Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    72Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest     4Hz, Average    73Hz
                USB,2-axis 8-button gamepad  : Latest   125Hz, Average    71Hz
                

                None of my other controllers spam the USB interface like this. My Wired 360 controller sits quietly until I actually make an input. Same for my crappy iNNEXT controllers. Only the Buffalo controllers seem to do this.

                I don't have enough knowledge of electronics to know what this means so I'm probably not going to investigate further. :P

                B 1 Reply Last reply 29 Jan 2018, 10:46 Reply Quote 2
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                  Brunnis @stoo
                  last edited by 29 Jan 2018, 10:46

                  @stoo Thanks for testing. Such crappy pieces of hardware, these Buffalo controllers. Although mine seem stable now, after some pretty long testing, I actually only use them as backups now. I replaced them with SNES Classic controllers + Raphnet low-latency USB adapters. Awesome quality and feel, no ghost input and extremely low latency (~1 ms total from pressing a button until the system has read the value). Downside? It's kind of an expensive solution... :-P

                  S 1 Reply Last reply 30 Jan 2018, 22:58 Reply Quote 2
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                    stoo @Brunnis
                    last edited by 30 Jan 2018, 22:58

                    @brunnis Actually, I have a couple of Wii Classic Pros lying around gathering dust. Those Raphnet adapters sound ideal... and I've just ordered one. Thanks for the tip.

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                      techiedj
                      last edited by 20 Apr 2018, 18:56

                      Just wanted to add my findings. Bought a new 3b+ and some offical WiiU Pro controllers to use and they work PERFECT on the internal BT. (new stretch image)

                      Though to myself GREAT, imaged Rpi3b card and got TONS of ghost input (Dpad-Right+A) trying to scroll down system romlists. Transfer card to 3b+ and pair same remote, works perfect again.

                      I had never used with WiiU Pros with the 3b before but there is definately something up with stretch and the WiiU pros. Cant get wifi to scan either.

                      M 1 Reply Last reply 20 Apr 2018, 19:56 Reply Quote 0
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                        mitu Global Moderator @techiedj
                        last edited by 20 Apr 2018, 19:56

                        @techiedj said in Gamepads making involuntary movements in Emulation Station:

                        Cant get wifi to scan either.

                        I assume you've followed the install instructions and set up your country code before trying to make Wifi working.

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