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    • thelostsoulT
      thelostsoul @cosmo0
      last edited by

      @cosmo0 I tested many of these games and have them running here. But I don't know when a game is fully tested to be sure its working. Did you see the compatibility Lists from Documentation?
      https://retropie.org.uk/docs/Arcade/
      Here direct links to the lists
      Mame2003:
      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LP1MELCvcxu7TfiowF_0ZuvRVEMqlfQyTVetnOJvuJc/edit?usp=sharing
      FBA:
      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GaqIIoiWbzKHwZ52S2xCSDQXILo81Ls1mHK6czKGAtM/edit?usp=sharing

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      • dankcushionsD
        dankcushions Global Moderator
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        @cosmo0 said in FBA vs. MAME:

        Can we just say NeoGeo games are better with FBA "by default" ? Or is it more case-by-case ?

        i would guess that both mame2003 and fba do neogeo perfectly, but fba supports the full catalog plus hacks (i believe mame2003 doesn't have all the KOF games, for example), so i just use that.

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        • cosmo0C
          cosmo0 @thelostsoul
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          @thelostsoul I thought this thread was about "best system", not "working system" ? For games that work on both FBA and MAME, to determine which one has the best emulation ?
          Because if it's just to list games that work in one but not the other, I already have these: games working in FBA but not MAME2003 and games working in MAME2003 but not FBA.

          @dankcushions yeah it looks like MAME2003 doesn't have KOF2003/2003, Metal Slug 4/5, Samurai Shodown 5, and SNK vs Capcom (among a bunch of prototypes, bootlegs and demos), but MAME2003 has a very small number of clones that FBA doesn't.
          So I'm guessing "all NeoGeo games are best used with FBA" can be used as a general statement.

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          • thelostsoulT
            thelostsoul @cosmo0
            last edited by thelostsoul

            @cosmo0 my bad, I forgot what about this thread was. I'm just curious. how do you guys test both versions and determine which works better?

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            • DarksaviorD
              Darksavior @cosmo0
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              @cosmo0 Neogeo, cps1-2 are best on lr-fbalpha. I'm not sure if the minor sound bugs in Kizuna Encounter and maybe others were ever fixed in lr-fbalpha2012 but I retired my pi2 to bother with that older emulator.

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              • AndersHPA
                AndersHP
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                rtype.zip works (for me, at least - see 'discussion' earlier) best in mame2003.
                tapper.zip (Budweiser version - the one and only) works best in mame2010. In fact, it's the only version I ever got working.

                I don't understand that you say these games are missing on the lists. My lists above contain many of these games, and they're based on @Pussyfoot 's lists.

                I also use fba generally for NeoGeo games. It just seems to work all the way for me.

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                  barbudreadmon
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                  I remember reading fba was the recommended neogeo emulator for speedrun, i guess it means it is supposed to be the most accurate for neogeo.

                  FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                  • mediamogulM
                    mediamogul Global Moderator @AndersHP
                    last edited by mediamogul

                    @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                    tapper.zip (Budweiser version - the one and only) works best in mame2010.

                    All Bally Midway MCR System titles, including 'Tapper', should now be fully functional through lr-mame2003 as well thanks to this recent update. AdvanceMAME will run them as well. I love 'Tapper'. It makes the player deal with multitasking in such a fun and addictive way that it almost feels like a falling block puzzle game.

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                    • markwkiddM
                      markwkidd @cosmo0
                      last edited by

                      @cosmo0 said in FBA vs. MAME:

                      yeah it looks like MAME2003 doesn't have KOF2003/2003, Metal Slug 4/5, Samurai Shodown 5, and SNK vs Capcom (among a bunch of prototypes, bootlegs and demos),

                      Some of these are now in mame2003-plus. Testers very welcome.

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                      • cosmo0C
                        cosmo0 @AndersHP
                        last edited by

                        @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                        I don't understand that you say these games are missing on the lists. My lists above contain many of these games, and they're based on @Pussyfoot 's lists.

                        I didn't see your lists... :( I only saw UDB23 Excel file...

                        Thanks, I'll make sure to update my list for any missing game :)

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                        • thelostsoulT
                          thelostsoul @thelostsoul
                          last edited by

                          @thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:

                          @cosmo0 my bad, I forgot what about this thread was. I'm just curious. how do you guys test both versions and determine which works better?

                          ??

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                            grant2258 Banned
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                            @thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:

                            s and de

                            mame2003 has has sound timing update fixes please re check any games that the was issues with on the sound sound speed . Mame2003+ will have the right tempo set as for robocop and other games

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                            • cosmo0C
                              cosmo0
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                              So, new list for still-missing classics, based on the lists found here:
                              mame: https://pastebin.com/2UTySn6L
                              fba: https://pastebin.com/tUMb5CsR
                              advancemame: https://pastebin.com/2eaqNxGF

                              I will try to test these games.
                              @thelostsoul : I have no idea how I'll declare one emulator the best one. I'm guessing it's a matter of speed and bugs first, then personal preference.

                              rom title
                              720 720 Degrees (rev 4)
                              1943kai 1943 Kai: Midway Kaisen (Japan)
                              airwolf Airwolf
                              arknoid2 Arkanoid - Revenge of DOH (World)
                              bionicc Bionic Commando (Euro)
                              bublbobl Bubble Bobble (Japan, Ver 0.1)
                              fantzn2 Fantasy Zone II - The Tears of Opa-Opa (MC-8123, 317-0057)
                              gng Ghosts'n Goblins (World? set 1)
                              gradius4 Gradius IV: Fukkatsu (ver JAC)
                              gt2k Golden Tee 2K (v1.00)
                              invadpt2 Space Invaders Part II (Taito)
                              jojoba JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage for the Future / JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Mirai e no Isan (Japan 990927)
                              marble Marble Madness (set 1)
                              mk4 Mortal Kombat 4 (version 3.0)
                              mshu Marvel Super Heroes (951024 USA)
                              nbapbp NBA Play By Play (ver JAA)
                              offroad Ironman Ivan Stewart's Super Off-Road
                              orunners OutRunners (World)
                              pbobble4 Puzzle Bobble 4 (Ver 2.04O 1997/12/19)
                              polepos Pole Position (World)
                              polepos2 Pole Position II (Japan)
                              rampart Rampart (Trackball)
                              rbtapper Tapper (Root Beer)
                              roadblst Road Blasters (upright, rev 4)
                              rtype R-Type (World)
                              sf2 Street Fighter II - The World Warrior (910522 etc)
                              sf2ce Street Fighter II' - Champion Edition (street fighter 2' 920513 etc)
                              tron Tron (8/9)
                              turbo Turbo (program 1513-1515)
                              vanguard Vanguard (SNK)
                              wbml Wonder Boy in Monster Land (Japan New Ver., MC-8123, 317-0043)
                              xevious Xevious (Namco)
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                                sub_atomic
                                last edited by sub_atomic

                                Edit: Figured it out. I was using a split set instead of non-merged.

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                                • UDb23U
                                  UDb23
                                  last edited by

                                  @sub_atomic said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                  vspu.zip from FBA 0.2.97.42 does not work in lr-fbalpha.

                                  The DAT file for .43 is available; have you checked the ROM with it ?
                                  .43 FBA release notes mention that ROMs have been synced with newer Mame sets.

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                                    sub_atomic @UDb23
                                    last edited by

                                    @udb23 I edited my post once I figured out it was because I grabbed it out of a split set.

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                                    • S
                                      sub_atomic
                                      last edited by

                                      Darius Gaiden is incredibly slow on my Pi3 B+ when using lr-fbalpha. It runs faster, but not perfectly, with lr-mame2003. Anyone else having the same experience?

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                                        barbudreadmon @sub_atomic
                                        last edited by

                                        @sub_atomic iirc, it is recommended to play taito f3 games with advancemame.

                                        FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                        • markwkiddM
                                          markwkidd @sub_atomic
                                          last edited by

                                          @sub_atomic said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                          Darius Gaiden is incredibly slow on my Pi3 B+ when using lr-fbalpha. It runs faster, but not perfectly, with lr-mame2003. Anyone else having the same experience?

                                          Please feel free to report the issue with Darius Gaiden in mame2003's github repository if you like. I don't think I've seen that submitted as an issue and it may be possible to fix by backporting from a later mame version.

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                                          • LoggaheadL
                                            Loggahead @Pussyfoot
                                            last edited by

                                            @pussyfoot said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                            Also, where is the config to identify which games I am using MAME 2010? I know the Rampage games need 2010.

                                            I put all of my roms in the arcade folder and use 2003, 2010, and fba to run them. I found that the emulators.cfg file under configs/all contains the info on which emulator is being used for which particualr rom if it is anything other than the default for that folder.

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