Taito games not working anymore after update

[robertvb83]

@mitu yes i know, and thats fine and the documentation is great, but i speak of lets say average users that just mainly want to play games. No way they look into that documentation before updating... maybe a disclamer right before updating would be nice

[barbudreadmon]

@robertvb83 said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

"What the f*** i have to resource my roms that took me years to find a working set"

Or 2 minutes if you know how to use google search engine.

About the warning, as a developper, i'm confident about the fact people won't read it anyway, except perhaps if it's in a sign held by a cat or something.

[rsn8887]

Where exactly is the the information which romset I need after updating?

[dankcushions]

@rsn8887 see https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/FinalBurn-Alpha#lr-fbalpha

Visit the Final Burn Alpha homepage on github

that has the source code to the emulator that is retrieved when you update via source. i don't know what version the binary update uses.

we state the romset in the wiki but it's out of date. it's not as simple as updating the numbers - there are many things in the wiki to update for each version, and i've yet to do this.

[barbudreadmon]

@rsn8887 said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

Where exactly is the the information which romset I need after updating?

From a game you are able to launch, open retroarch menu, the version of fbalpha is at the bottom left.

[mitu]

@rsn8887 Simplest is the recommendation given by @barbudreadmon , but you could also look in the verbose logging file and it should state the lr-fbalpha version. Since your FBAlpha ROMs are from the version included in RetroPie 4.0 - almost 2 years ago - there's a high chance your problem is using an outdated ROM.

[rbaker]

@robertvb83 said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

but i speak of lets say average users that just mainly want to play games. No way they look into that documentation before updating

I disagree. This is not a plug and play solution that is meant to hold your hand every step of the way. It's a learning tool and the docs are essential. If people don't want to study them and I do mean study them not read them, they have chosen the wrong hardware and software combination.

[robertvb83]

@barbudreadmon said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

@robertvb83 said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

"What the f*** i have to resource my roms that took me years to find a working set"

Or 2 minutes if you know how to use google search engine.

About the warning, as a developper, i'm confident about the fact people won't read it anyway, except perhaps if it's in a sign held by a cat or something.

you are probably right, i'm just saying, not everyone is a geek and learns all this stuff easily. some people just want to play.

so can anyone please input a big warning screen with a cat holding a warning sign before updating things that will make your setup unplayable for sure

[KN4THX]

You know, this is an unbelievably awesome project that people have donated their free time to build and have asked nothing in return. Retropie is just as much a work in progress as it is a success. It is ready to go out of the box in general, but there's tons of extras that are always being worked on, or that you need to tinker with yourself to get them working. That's the fun of it for a lot of us, you get what you put in.

More on topic, you should never update anything on any system unless you are explicitly familiar with what changes are being made to your system. I don't disagree that it would be nice to see more info about what updates are available, but keep in mind again that this is a free project and the community support is there if you do upgrade and have an issue. I treat my system as if it's always in beta...backup backup backup. Not just because of what may come down from the devs, but because I've made enough stupid mistakes that backed me into a dark, dark, corner.

[rsn8887]

Yes, it is a great project and a lot of work. But I support the OP's statement. Updates should always be transparent. Currently, the updates in RetroPie are completely opaque.

What I mean is that there should be a changelog and users should be able to read this log to get an idea what an update will do BEFORE performing the update. This non-existing changelog should have mentioned that updating fba will require an update of all the roms.

In my opinion, this is a basic usability feature that is currently missing, among many other basic ease-of-use features, from the RetroPie project.

There's nothing wrong with recognizing and mentioning shortcomings and possible improvements.

But yes, it is a great project. Now that I am using my RPi 3 again, I am really appreciating RetroPie and how far it has come.

However, there are many problems with RetroPie, mostly in terms of usability, and I think most of them are simply due to the underlying OS being a masterpiece of user-unfriendliness (as Linux has always been in my opinion).

[mitu]

@rsn8887 said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

However, there are many problems with RetroPie [..]

Just because your expectations are not met by the software does not make it a 'problem' for RetroPie.

Since the project itself mainly re-packages software from different sources, it's almost impossible to provide a complete changelog for what changes when new packages are updated - especially if you update from source. That doesn't mean updates are not documented

• RetroPie specific changes are always available in the project's repository (github.com/retropie/RetroPie-Setup)
• Point releases are detailed in the news page when they're released.

EDIT: I do agree that some updates might seem 'opaque', how do you think this should be handled ?

[rbaker]

@rsn8887 said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

What I mean is that there should be a changelog and users should be able to read this log to get an idea what an update will do

You mean this: https://retropie.org.uk/2018/04/retropie-4-4-is-released/ or am I missing something?

[KN4THX]

@rbaker It sounds like he is asking for a detailed list of updates, probably something similar that pops up when you do Windows updates stating specifically fixed issues and versions.

[mitu]

@thedatacereal Well, I wouldn't take Windows updates as an example for how to do updates or document them ...
I always liked the Debian's way of having a changelog.Debian.gz in the package's doc folder, or the way dpkg-listchanges shows major updates while doing a bulk update with apt-get.

[cyperghost]

For backup: Just upload the emulator core to your github account and write some notes to every release. Then it's documented.... who is first?

I understand the OP ... @xgauccix did you try to install lr-fbalpha2012 this might help to get older ROMSets to run again.

[KN4THX]

@mitu SO I got water on my screen of my phone it it went wonkey on my post and now I can't restore it.

I agree on your statement about Windows updates, I also think the expectations are too high when it comes to Retropie's responsibilities. As you stated, the emulators are pre-packaged mostly and they upgraded from 4.0 to 4.4 in which the changelog states fbalpha was updated between 4.0 and now.

I understand people like to jump to the newest versions and don't like to read the fine print. This being said, I feel like the changelog is as simple as it gets and far from fine print. I like watch to watch a lot of my updates when I do them and I don't always walk away, though I'm guilty of being lazy from time to time. I also tend to watch the forums and update later rather than sooner.

On a side note, do emulator version changes wait for a Retropie version update or do they get worked in at random?

[BuZz]

@thedatacereal I restored your post.

[KN4THX]

@buzz Thank you.

[rsn8887]

@thedatacereal said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

On a side note, do emulator version changes wait for a Retropie version update or do they get worked in at random?

From what I read so far it seems to me that binaries are updated at random, while updating from source always downloads a certain commit, a certain branch, or sometimes, depending on the emulator, the latest master branch of the emulator’s github repo. Depending on the emulator, the source code might be patched by he RetroPie install script, which could or could not break depending on whether the emulator source code has gone through many changes or not recently.

[mitu]

@thedatacereal said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

I like watch to watch a lot of my updates when I do them and I don't always walk away, though I'm guilty of being lazy from time to time. I also tend to watch the forums and update later rather than sooner.

You realise you're not a typical user, right :) ?

On a side note, do emulator version changes wait for a Retropie version update or do they get worked in at random?

No, some of them could get updated in between releases to get new features or for bug fixing. There's no general rule here, it varies from package to another. For instance:

• mame2003 (not the new plus core), pifba or other old emulators don't need to get any updates, since there's no new version available.
• retroarch could get updated to get new features - like the new Run ahead features introduces in 1.7.3
• there's a possibility the upstream totally borks the package - like the ppsspp package, so it was completely unavailable to be installed from source.