Taito games not working anymore after update

KN4THX

@rbaker It sounds like he is asking for a detailed list of updates, probably something similar that pops up when you do Windows updates stating specifically fixed issues and versions.

mitu

@thedatacereal Well, I wouldn't take Windows updates as an example for how to do updates or document them ...
I always liked the Debian's way of having a changelog.Debian.gz in the package's doc folder, or the way dpkg-listchanges shows major updates while doing a bulk update with apt-get.

cyperghost

For backup: Just upload the emulator core to your github account and write some notes to every release. Then it's documented.... who is first?

I understand the OP ... @xgauccix did you try to install lr-fbalpha2012 this might help to get older ROMSets to run again.

KN4THX

@mitu SO I got water on my screen of my phone it it went wonkey on my post and now I can't restore it.

I agree on your statement about Windows updates, I also think the expectations are too high when it comes to Retropie's responsibilities. As you stated, the emulators are pre-packaged mostly and they upgraded from 4.0 to 4.4 in which the changelog states fbalpha was updated between 4.0 and now.

I understand people like to jump to the newest versions and don't like to read the fine print. This being said, I feel like the changelog is as simple as it gets and far from fine print. I like watch to watch a lot of my updates when I do them and I don't always walk away, though I'm guilty of being lazy from time to time. I also tend to watch the forums and update later rather than sooner.

On a side note, do emulator version changes wait for a Retropie version update or do they get worked in at random?

BuZz

@thedatacereal I restored your post.

KN4THX

@buzz Thank you.

rsn8887

@thedatacereal said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

On a side note, do emulator version changes wait for a Retropie version update or do they get worked in at random?

From what I read so far it seems to me that binaries are updated at random, while updating from source always downloads a certain commit, a certain branch, or sometimes, depending on the emulator, the latest master branch of the emulator’s github repo. Depending on the emulator, the source code might be patched by he RetroPie install script, which could or could not break depending on whether the emulator source code has gone through many changes or not recently.

mitu

@thedatacereal said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

I like watch to watch a lot of my updates when I do them and I don't always walk away, though I'm guilty of being lazy from time to time. I also tend to watch the forums and update later rather than sooner.

You realise you're not a typical user, right :) ?

On a side note, do emulator version changes wait for a Retropie version update or do they get worked in at random?

No, some of them could get updated in between releases to get new features or for bug fixing. There's no general rule here, it varies from package to another. For instance:

mame2003 (not the new plus core), pifba or other old emulators don't need to get any updates, since there's no new version available.
retroarch could get updated to get new features - like the new Run ahead features introduces in 1.7.3
there's a possibility the upstream totally borks the package - like the ppsspp package, so it was completely unavailable to be installed from source.

xgauccix

thanks @cyperghost lr-fbalpha2012 made those games run again.
I just wasn't aware that new emu versions could need other ROMs to get games working....

mitu

@xgauccix said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

I just wasn't aware that new emu versions could need other ROMs to get games working....

That happens only for Arcade games, since the emulators can update the ROMset used for the games.

barbudreadmon

@rsn8887 said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

This non-existing changelog should have mentioned that updating fba will require an update of all the roms.

Considering there are tens, perhaps hundreds topics mentioning it already (the fact that romsets change with every new release), and you guys manage to not see them, i don't see how a changelog would help people who are obviously blind.

DougA

@barbudreadmon it’s not quite as obvious as you suggest. I think it is obvious / well known that if you go from MAME 2003 or MAME2010, that there is a new romset needed, but when the name doesn’t change you aren’t being informed that the version of the rom set needs updating. Yes, if you come here and read everything regularly, you would see it, but if you only come to look at the forum when you have an issue yourself, it’s easier to miss it.

robertvb83

@barbudreadmon
users are updating an Emulator and in the end fix this by using a much inferior outdated Emulator. so this is worse than prior updating. this is ... sad.

i dont think that this is your fault! please dont get me wrong. perhaps you are more right than i thought. i have to say i am kind of rethinking this here. of course it would be nice to have everything for everyone but with such a project fully non-commercial you guys just dont have any motivation to make everything idiot proof. and i would not do it either.

if you can raise a topic like this you could have googled and find a solution also. and even after pointing him in the right direction he goes the lazymans way of downgrading... just to get this work somehow. retropie is not a SNES Mini plug and play system.

retropie with all its possibilities is just not for free, why would it, may be it is much more expensive than all commercially available solutions all together because you have to spend TIME. but i think this is more than reasonable considering the value.

mitu

@douga said in Taito games not working anymore after update:

I think it is obvious / well known that if you go from MAME 2003 or MAME2010, that there is a new romset needed,

The same situation applies to FBAlpha - it was upgraded from whatever version was 2 years ago to the current version. If you have properly set-up your arcade games, then you'd know that you need a new ROMset due to the version change.

xgauccix

@mitu today I did all my homework, and I got all those c-chip games running with the latest lr-fbalpha.
It wasn't just cchip_upd78c11 missing (which I got already), but also cchip files from the ROMs themselves; I managed to get the right version of those....
Thanks, because all this has been really mind opening !

DougA

@mitu yes, I know what you mean. The point I was trying to make is that in RetroPie, Mame2003 is obviously not Mame2010 because the name is different. It’s not so in-your-face obvious when lr-fbalpha is still called lr-fbalpha, especially for someone who didn’t read the documentation, or who regularly runs console games where this isn’t an issue.

Clyde

I can understand both sides here and I wonder if a short message before updates that include arcade emulators would be helpful, like "Warning! Updating arcade emulators can make them incompatible with your current romset(s). You may want to research this possibility before this update."

This seems to me like a small change in the setup script that won't hurt the devs, but may help less experienced users without relieving them of their responsibility for their own systems.

DougA

I would agree with @clyde. That’s a quick, easy fix.

HSH

@rbaker what a learning tool! i just wanna play!