[Solved] Sega saturn CD+G CHANNEL & Music doesn't work

boltio3

@jonnykesh I did a fast read to https://segaretro.org/Extended_RAM_Cartridge, and for what i understanded, only the games that appears there need a RAM cartridge, so the Sonic R should work, but it doesn't.

jonnykesh

@boltio3 Sorry but those screenshots tell me absolutely nothing.
I have never set up the Saturn in the 2 plus years I have been using RetroPie and was able to get a game running while we had this conversation.
The game I got to run was Shinobi X just as a test.
It came as a single .bin file and a single .cue file. I did not put this in a separate folder. Both files were just placed in the ROMs> saturn directory. I had to adjust the contents and name of the.cue file to match the name of the .bin file. Linux is case sensitive so that is always something that catches Windows users out.

I appreciate you are a novice to this but you need to give relevant info if you want help. Pictures of a TV screen are next to useless.
Find a game that comes as a single bin/cue and post the names of each file along with the contents of the cue file and I will have a look.

boltio3

@jonnykesh Ok, I'll search for that bin/cue files.
But i have found this during the conversation.

This 2 files are from a .zip, i can convert them to .bin or .cue, or something? Or maybe i just have to focus to find that ones with bin/cue?

Edit: I have just tried the .zip with this 2 files (.mds and .mdf) and it happends the same to other ones that have (.iso, .cue, .mp3, etc)

boltio3

@jonnykesh What version of Shinobi X have you used? (Japan, europe or USA)

jonnykesh

@boltio3 It was the (E) so European one.

boltio3

@jonnykesh
Ok, i have this, what should i do?

boltio3

@boltio3 Wow, i put that ".bin's" files and the .cue file to a .zip file, and then i put it in the Saturn roms folder and it works!
But the music doesn't... I don't know why. (The SFX works, every time I jump for example it makes the sound)

jonnykesh

@boltio3 Post the contents of the cue file.
Do you have any other Sonic R files?
The in-game music may well be the wav files.

boltio3

@jonnykesh

This is the .cue file

And yes i have this other Sonic R here.

jonnykesh

@boltio3 I tried it. Managed to find, I think the same file as you but with no wav files.
I have no in-game music, only SFX as you said.
Try dropping the wav files in with the bin/cue.
As I said I'm no expert on the Saturn I just wanted to get you up and running so you would see that it actually could work.
Try searching on the forum for Saturn and reading a bit. Have a read, your English seems more than good enough to figure it out.
Also try searching on the r/RetroPie sub reddit. There is a lot of good info there also.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroPie/

akafox

Okay so here is what I am going to assume: They work like any bin/cue image....
that being said I do not know much about Sega Saturn...but I know a TON about PSX...

So first of all your cue is wrong..notice it wants BIN files NOT WAV files..soooo..easy fix there..use wav2bin..sorry I don't know where it is..a search should turn it up...

Then load the CUE file NOT the iso...from there the music and stuff should work...

you can use iso buster as outlined to combine them all into one image/file
(Pasted from the RetroPie set up wiki):

"This can be easly achieved with ISOBuster (free edition) with the following procedure:

Run ISOBuster
Open Image File and select the .cue file of a game with multi-bin files.
Right-Click on "CD" (the top one on tree-structure) then select Extract CD and select RAW (.bin .iso)
Now select a path where to save the file, change from the dropdown .iso to .bin
Rename your file and add .bin at the end of the name.
Save the file, and you are prompted to save a new cue file.
Now you have a multi-bin game with .cue file, packed in a single .bin file plus a new .cue file."

thus you shouldn't have to zip them or anything like that (saves on load time)

jonnykesh

@akafox Hey this is great if it works. I tried "Sonic R" bin/cue but I ran it in verbose mode and the cue file was the wrong format for lr-yabause, which is just weird.
I know it is experimental but I was running it on my laptop.
This actually made it run, but with no background music... https://forums.libretro.com/t/yabause-core-and-cue-files-problem/3829

So, removing lines from the cue file worked, to a certain extent...
Don't get me wrong, I have no interest in making this work for me , I just thought I would try and assist.

akafox

@jonnykesh No problem that is what the forum is for..here to help not be a hero. If I wanted to do that I'd play Super Miro Bros. ;)

Yeah I don't have a system that is beefy enough to run Sega Saturn...wish I did..
but emulating six cpus and all the other stuff is tough to do..I have trouble running 3DO..it only had three cpus. But it also depends on the emulator. The 4D0 core runs half speed...but I use a stand alone on my system and it runs blazing at 60fps...

I would like to add SS to my systems..and maybe dreamcast..but beyond that..I'm done..last system I ever owned was a PS2 (I was given a WII..I put retroarch on it..sadly my pi runs better)

Anyway that being said..back to topic...yeah that should help if you combine it..I had some psx games that gave me trouble until I combined them. Your BIOS should be correct or you wouldn't be able to load at all I think. You might try the beetle core..I hear it works good..but again I have not been able to get it to load myself. Glad to see that the sega saturn is getting some emulator love..I bet that's a pain to make an emulator for it!

boltio3

@akafox @jonnykesh Ok... I've read all your comments, and I think the best option is to use that ISOBuster to make the .bin files to just 1 .bin file.

boltio3

@jonnykesh Just for asking, the game that you tried (I asume it is Shinobi X) I'm talking about the 1st time when it worked with the music, did you find it with .bin, .cue, and .wav?

boltio3

@akafox Ok I tried to use ISOBuster but you say "then select Extract CD and select RAW (.bin.iso)", but there's 2 options

Extract CD <Content>
Extract CD <Images>
And I can select "RAW (.bin .iso)" In the two of them... so what I should use? 1 or 2?

EDIT: Ok, forget about that, i tried "Extract CD <Images>" and it works!
But, now there's another little problem.
When i run, is like the world it isn't all loaded, so if i look away, I see the world like blurred (I found blurred in google traductor, so I don't know if it correct, in spanish is "Difuminado") So, when I get close It loads correctly, I don't know if I'm explaining myself, but the game goes fluid so it isn't so important to solve that, but i don't know if this will be a problem for other games.
Any suggestion?

Althought, maybe this is how the game was originally. (Sonic R)

boltio3

@boltio3 After doing some .cue and .bin files with the ISOBuster, some ROM's (all ROM's are from the same site) have this... lets say graphic corruption.

But almost all are fine. (Or not so corrupted)

This have any solution? (apart from changing the ROM)

Edit: I've tried the Tomb Raider (U) but it have the same problem. (The 1st one was the European one)

akafox

That I have no idea on..I have little to no experience with the saturn cores. Could be a emulator problem..not an iso problem. Does it do that before you combine it? i.e. does it work correctly when you leave it separate files?

What formats can the cores read? only bin/cue..or can it read others like iso or ccd/img converting it to a different format might help it better? shrugs You should be able to use UltraISO to convert it.

(Yeah iso based systems are a pain in the controller....)

boltio3

@akafox Before combine it, I don't know because I test it with Sonic R, so i only used Tomb raider once it was combined.
Here it is what files can the lr-yabause read:
https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/Saturn

Edit: I don't use the "lr-beetle-saturn" emulator, because i don't have the right bios for it and because the last time i tried to use it, it haven't work, the screen was stuck in black.

Edit2: And for what i've tried without combining, the game didn't start and instead of loading the game, it loads the Saturn menu (Were there was that "Set CD+G Channel" that now is solved)

boltio3

@akafox What formats can UltraISO convert to .iso?