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    mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

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      grant2258 Banned @mediamogul
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      @mediamogul said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

      @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

      just put frameskip on if you dont want to overclock or use a more powerful box to run your emulation there is only so much a pie can do. A mini pc is what you need install linux and retropie on that

      Frameskip has the major disadvantage of disrupting a player's timing. The Pi is indeed an under-powered computer, but RetroArch also adds a lot of overhead not found in standalone emulators. Many arcade games that are right on the edge of acceptable performance can be improved greatly by just picking a more appropriate emulator on a case-by-case basis. Fortunately, RetroPie makes that very easy.

      Well its a balanced choice when you dont have enough processing power. The pi is good enough for most older stuff im not disputing that. Some users really dont know they can update there hardware and still use retropie. I personally use something else for my barcade that lets me use native emulators and have my retropie at the tv for the old consoles although I have these in my barcade as well.

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        mediamogul Global Moderator @grant2258
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        @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

        I personally use something else for my barcade that lets me use native emulators and have my retropie at the tv for the old consoles although I have these in my barcade as well.

        Very nice. I have a similar setup myself. I use an older, but more powerful computer in my MAME cabinet and I use my Pi for console gaming and whatever arcade games I can squeeze out of it. Despite it's technical superiority, I don't really play or work on my cabinet very much. For whatever reason, I've just always found it more fun working and playing with the Pi.

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          grant2258 Banned @mediamogul
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          I have to admit I think retropie has a real strength that lot of other pi distros don't it supports native emulators as well. Going 100% ra locks users in that environment. I like tinkering and customizing it is nice to have options

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            mediamogul Global Moderator @grant2258
            last edited by mediamogul

            @grant2258

            I definitely agree. RetroArch is a technical marvel with all it does and I use it in most instances, but the ability to explore other options that might suit certain use cases better is a real benefit.

            RetroPie v4.5 • RPi3 Model B • 5.1V 2.5A PSU • 16GB SanDisk microSD • 512GB External Drive

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              gizmobjb
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              Quick question I have the moonwalker bootleg samples, so I just put them in the sample folder and thats it right. Sorry I know that's a stupid question.

              Also I got the ffight.zip of the ost samples but it missing a lot of files. Is there a complete set of the ffight samples?

              Thank you

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              • akafoxA
                akafox @mediamogul
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                @mediamogul well it has to be that way with mame a lot..but emulation in general.
                With updates comes breaks..that is they update it to fix or improve it and then they break something else. So you go to an older version that worked.

                I would prefer to use "native emulators" myself but RetroArch is updated frequently and a big community around it. They do have separate cores for some emulators which is nice. At first I was not using mame cores because I could not get into the dipswitch menu..that is a must for some games..but then it was fixed.

                On the other hand I have a system here that i have four versions of an arcade emulator on just to get things to work. I have standard mame..then I have FBA..then advmame 1.4..then Fast MAME..it's a single core 1.4ghz with 384 Mb of DDR ram and a 40Gb (IDE) HHD...so it's slow...but the different versions of mame allow me to run almost everything..yes even KI and MK at full speed.

                But back to topic...
                umm..I have a dumb question embarrassed
                so this core here what exactly is it? I have been watching it for sometime..and I gather it is a version of mame (core) to get games to play..or run better (in a nutshell) I do want to try it out..any value on it over the mame 2003 core over all?
                guess i need to break down and try it out huh? lol it is in the retroarch get hub page right?..or downloadable from the retroarch gui?

                People want things easy...but then complain that life is boring...

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                  mediamogul Global Moderator @akafox
                  last edited by mediamogul

                  @akafox said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                  so this core here what exactly is it?

                  lr-mame2003-plus 'backports' features and fixes that were added later than the 2003 version of MAME (0.78). These additions include new playable games, as well as fixes to issues that were exclusive to the RetroArch port, such as the inability to play Midway MCR games, which was not an issue with the original MAME 0.78. So, basically it adds a grab bag of good stuff from later versions of MAME and puts it all into an older incarnation of MAME that is know to perform well on low-end hardware like the Raspberry Pi.

                  RetroPie v4.5 • RPi3 Model B • 5.1V 2.5A PSU • 16GB SanDisk microSD • 512GB External Drive

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                    akafox @mediamogul
                    last edited by akafox

                    @mediamogul ah okay that makes sense just like advance mame did with the cps3 game and a few others...never updated [to a newer version] or "used newer roms" just "updated the code" to run newer games..but same base..(one ting I like about advance mame...).

                    Too bad MS didn't do that with DOS and Windows 3.1..but that's a debate for an entirely different forum xD

                    Thank you for your informative answer..I will defiantly look into it! :D
                    Is there any place there is a list of the roms that work? (retropie wiki maybe?)
                    I tried the mame2003-midway core one time but was told the main core absorbed that hack/fix but this core is not "just midway" roms I take it..

                    People want things easy...but then complain that life is boring...

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                      mitu Global Moderator @akafox
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                      @akafox said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                      Is there any place there is a list of the roms that work? (retropie wiki maybe?)

                      The Changelog has the list of new additions. Check out the 1st post in the topic and the project's github page for more details.

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                        grant2258 Banned @mitu
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                        it was me that fixed the midway games on mame2003 and mame2003 plus they work on both cores now

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                          mediamogul Global Moderator @grant2258
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                          @grant2258

                          And you should be commended for it. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say thank you. Those particular titles are among the cornerstones of retro-gaming and video game history in general.

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                          • RiverstormR
                            Riverstorm
                            last edited by Riverstorm

                            Here's an updated list of the ROMs that are new or updated in Plus. New means they are exclusive to only Plus and updated means at least one ROM has been added, removed or modified in the set and is now different. The rest of the games are 100% identical to 2003 (roughly 4,548). I don't have a handy way to convert them back to their full names but I think it's still a useful list.

                            This list doesn't include fixes for existing ROMs but many of those changes have been merged into 2003. Also there's quite a few custom OST's that have been added that work with parent and clones which are really neat and I believe more will be add down the road.

                            @grant2258 did some work on the last custom OST that has FLAC support which allowed the samples to be reduced in size by almost 50%. I think FLAC support is a step in the right direction for modern day.

                            Also @markwkidd did some work to improve vector game support. It's not equal to AdvMAME standards but it's been much improved over 2003.

                            He also did some work on the Retropad abstraction layer challenges. So "ghosting inputs" have been cleaned up and the ability to do <NOT> mappings has been improved. So you have more input interfaces and some new retropad layouts.

                            @grant2258 did made some changes to neogeo.zip BIOS file names so you have the ability to merge multiple BIOS file versions of equal name different hashes into one neogeo.zip. Basically you have the ability to use one neogeo.zip file for both cores or possibly 3 cores like FBA too but I haven't tested 3 yet.

                            Also several minor improvements for games behind the scenes like getting into 'F2', etc. have been fixed.

                            I am sure to be missing some highlights but to be fair to 2003. It does have 2 games not supported in Plus. I can figure it out if it's important but they weren't major games if I remember.

                            Also the other day I was messing with After Burner and Outrun and I found 2003 to be smoother and I was able to pull off a barrel roll in 2003 After Burner but I couldn't do the same in Plus. I have no idea why. So basically I use 2003 as a benchmark or for contrast if something isn't working correctly in Plus.

                            Plus is a great core and if it has a favorite game or feature not supported in 2003 it's definitely worth checking out.

                            Games new to Plus (133 games):

                            1943mii.zip
                            acpsx.zip
                            airattck.zip
                            airattcka.zip
                            arescue.zip
                            asurabus.zip
                            avengrgsj.zip
                            backfire.zip
                            baryon.zip
                            bbbuster.zip
                            boogwing.zip
                            boogwinga.zip
                            brapboysj.zip
                            bsharkjjs.zip
                            bublbob1.zip
                            bublboblp.zip
                            cabala.zip
                            cabalus.zip
                            cabalus2.zip
                            candance.zip
                            ccastlej.zip
                            chainrec.zip
                            charlien.zip
                            countrb2.zip
                            crswd2bl.zip
                            cutefght.zip
                            darkmist.zip
                            dblewing.zip
                            ddream95.zip
                            deluxe5.zip
                            denjinmk.zip
                            dietgo.zip
                            dietgoe.zip
                            dietgoj.zip
                            dietgou.zip
                            dkongx.zip
                            dogosokj.zip
                            downtowj.zip
                            dreamwld.zip
                            drgnwrld.zip
                            dynagear.zip
                            esckidsj.zip
                            fixeighb.zip
                            gaialast.zip
                            ghostlop.zip
                            glasskr.zip
                            gnbarich.zip
                            gunmast.zip
                            hachamfb.zip
                            hcrash.zip
                            hcrashc.zip
                            hedpanicf.zip
                            hedpanico.zip
                            hookj.zip
                            hoops96.zip
                            hsf2a.zip
                            hvysmsh.zip
                            hvysmsha.zip
                            hvysmshj.zip
                            ikari3nr.zip
                            inyourfa.zip
                            ironclad.zip
                            joemacr.zip
                            joemacra.zip
                            kbash2.zip
                            killbld.zip
                            kof2001.zip
                            kof2002.zip
                            lasthope.zip
                            lethalen.zip
                            magdrop.zip
                            magdropp.zip
                            matrim.zip
                            mchampdx.zip
                            mchampdxa.zip
                            midresbj.zip
                            msgogo.zip
                            mslug4.zip
                            mslug5.zip
                            multchmpk.zip
                            mwarr.zip
                            nslasherj.zip
                            nslashers.zip
                            olds.zip
                            olds103t.zip
                            osman.zip
                            packbang.zip
                            pktgaldj.zip
                            pktgaldx.zip
                            plegends.zip
                            pnyaa.zip
                            progear.zip
                            progearj.zip
                            pturn.zip
                            puzlstar.zip
                            pzloop2j.zip
                            ragtime.zip
                            ragtimea.zip
                            riot.zip
                            rockn2.zip
                            rockn3.zip
                            rockn4.zip
                            rockna.zip
                            rolcrush.zip
                            rotd.zip
                            sabotnba.zip
                            samsh5sp.zip
                            samsho5.zip
                            sbishi.zip
                            sbishik.zip
                            sengoku3.zip
                            skullfng.zip
                            skullfngj.zip
                            sonicbom.zip
                            suprridr.zip
                            svcboot.zip
                            swatpolc.zip
                            tangtang.zip
                            teetert.zip
                            tgm2.zip
                            tgm2p.zip
                            thoop.zip
                            vasara2.zip
                            vasara2a.zip
                            vbowl.zip
                            vbowlj.zip
                            vmetal.zip
                            wbmlvc.zip
                            wcvol95.zip
                            wcvol95x.zip
                            wingforc.zip
                            zintrckb.zip
                            zupapa.zip
                            

                            Updated from 2003 to Plus (39 games):

                            alcon.zip
                            avengrgs.zip
                            bloodwar.zip
                            bonkadv.zip
                            brapboys.zip
                            bubbobr1.zip
                            bublbobl.zip
                            bublbobr.zip
                            cabal.zip
                            chinagat.zip
                            countrnb.zip
                            esckids.zip
                            fireshrk.zip
                            fjbuster.zip
                            gtmr.zip
                            hachamf.zip
                            hedpanic.zip
                            hydrap.zip
                            hydrap2.zip
                            jdredd.zip
                            jdreddb.zip
                            multchmp.zip
                            mustache.zip
                            nbajamex.zip
                            neogeo.zip
                            omega.zip
                            rockn.zip
                            saiyugou.zip
                            samesam2.zip
                            samesame.zip
                            shogwarr.zip
                            slapfigh.zip
                            tdragon.zip
                            titlef.zip
                            tmekprot.zip
                            vimana.zip
                            vimana1.zip
                            vimanan.zip
                            winspike.zip
                            
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                              grant2258 Banned @Riverstorm
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                              The analog problem was fixed yesterday

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                              • RiverstormR
                                Riverstorm @grant2258
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                                @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                The analog problem was fixed yesterday

                                Thanks, I just updated from source and they perform identical now.

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                                  gizmobjb
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                                  I can't get most of the chd games to work. Is there a trick to get them running. I have them in the arcade folder with the roms, and they are each in separate folders with names matching the rom names.

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                                  • AndersHPA
                                    AndersHP
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                                    It seems Timber doesn't save hiscores?
                                    lr-mame2010 does, but lr-mame2003-plus doesn't..?

                                    My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                    My Gameboy

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                                    • Stuart2773S
                                      Stuart2773
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                                      @Riverstorm @markwkidd @grant2258

                                      if there any chance of a title screen/intro graphics fix on AfterBurner & Afterburner II ?

                                      0_1532698632440_aburner-180727-142418.png

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                                      i checked them in lr-mame2016 and they seem to be fixed

                                      thanks.

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                                        grant2258 Banned
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                                        what exacly is missing from the afterburner

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                                          grant2258 Banned
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                                          ost samples have been removed from the dat too many people think they are missing samples when they have the mono set.

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                                            Riverstorm @gizmobjb
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                                            @gizmobjb said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                            I can't get most of the chd games to work. Is there a trick to get them running. I have them in the arcade folder with the roms, and they are each in separate folders with names matching the rom names.

                                            CHD's do work and you're putting them in the correct location. You might try running them through ClrMamePro with the DAT to verify you're using CHDv3. They have to be a specific version to work.

                                            @AndersHP - Maybe @grant2258 would know how to tell if a game has hiscore support. I tried it also and it doesn't save in Plus. Even looking at the current hiscore.dat I don't find a Timber entry. Maybe it's an NVRAM setting.

                                            @Stuart2773 - I am using a Pi 3 running RetroPie 4.3 and both games play the intro fully with no graphical issues.

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