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    • WeirdHW
      WeirdH @barbudreadmon
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      @barbudreadmon Thanks for replying. The problem has just been resolved, when I tried this suggestion by @grant2258. Everything is working fine again.

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      • GreenHawk84G
        GreenHawk84
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        I always thought FBA2012 ran CPS3 better than FBNeo, I will try FBNeo again soon for the updates listed here.

        The AOC monitor I use on my Pi3 B+ arcade cabinet has Freesync, is that able to be used with a Pi3 B+?

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          barbudreadmon @GreenHawk84
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          @GreenHawk84 said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

          I always thought FBA2012 ran CPS3 better than FBNeo

          Better is different from faster, FBNeo's CPS3 emulation is superior to FBA2012 in every way apart from speed.
          As far as i can tell, FBNeo is back to emulating cps3 at full speed on pi3b+ (at stock frequency), with the exception of sfiii2 with widescreen mode (this one still requires either a good OC or frameskip set to 1).

          @GreenHawk84 said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

          The AOC monitor I use on my Pi3 B+ arcade cabinet has Freesync, is that able to be used with a Pi3 B+?

          Afaik a compatible gpu is required, and i doubt a vc4 would fit this bill.

          FBNeo developer - github - forum

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          • GreenHawk84G
            GreenHawk84
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            I tried SFIII-3rd Strike (EU) today after reinstalling FBNeo via Source. It does play smoother, but suffers from audio issues, especially notable when selecting the next fight.

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              Darksavior @GreenHawk84
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              @GreenHawk84 With what pi? I tested 3rd strike. Pi3b+ stock speeds. Retropie buster dev build. Fbn from source. It's not a solid 60fps but audio is fine most of the time. There's plenty of drops but normally doesn't go below 59fps. Doing a super is the real test for drops. Supers can give me ~58fps and I get scratchy audio when that happens. When overclocked, supers are ~59.3fps

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                barbudreadmon @Darksavior
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                @Darksavior said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                It's not a solid 60fps

                Afaik, that's normal, the refresh rate is 59.59Hz, so while RA will render at 60Hz, it will still do frame duping to lower framerate to 59.59 (except if you got a setup with freesync/gsync). Furthermore RA's fps counter has always been inaccurate, afaik it's jumpy on every devices, even when you have the power to emulate the content at 10x speed. So having this fps counter going between 59.3 & 60 for cps3 games seems legit to me.

                FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                  GreenHawk84 @Darksavior
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                  @Darksavior said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                  @GreenHawk84 With what pi?

                  I use a Pi3B+ stock. Retroarch settings are also stock, nothing fancy. I try to run the vanilla hardware/performance settings just like a console out of the box. When I mounted the SD with Retropie I did nothing but configure controls and install roms, basic things.

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                    barbudreadmon @GreenHawk84
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                    @GreenHawk84 It doesn't seem normal, it could originate from hardware (overheating, bad psu, ...).

                    FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                      grant2258 Banned @barbudreadmon
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                      @barbudreadmon said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                      @Darksavior said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                      It's not a solid 60fps

                      Afaik, that's normal, the refresh rate is 59.59Hz, so while RA will render at 60Hz, it will still do frame duping to lower framerate to 59.59 (except if you got a setup with freesync/gsync). Furthermore RA's fps counter has always been inaccurate, afaik it's jumpy on every devices, even when you have the power to emulate the content at 10x speed. So having this fps counter going between 59.3 & 60 for cps3 games seems legit to me.

                      Ra doesnt dupe at all it just runs things faster including audio its runs at 60fps regardless unless you change the audio skew settings or are using freesync/gsync

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                        barbudreadmon @grant2258
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                        @grant2258 said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                        Ra doesnt dupe at all it just runs things faster including audio its runs at 60fps regardless

                        No, you are wrong, my pi3+ run a game like rtype (55Hz) or tapper (30Hz) at exactly the same pace than my desktop (with freesync enabled), the only difference is the frame duping. Setting the refresh rate is working properly on pi3+.

                        FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                        • GreenHawk84G
                          GreenHawk84 @barbudreadmon
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                          • GreenHawk84G
                            GreenHawk84 @GreenHawk84
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                            @barbudreadmon I switched out a no-name PSU for the official Raspberry Pi PSU. I bought another 3B+ after it was suggested my original 3B+ was faulty. Same exact issues. I really don't think my setup is the issue.

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                              Darksavior @barbudreadmon
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                              @barbudreadmon One thing's for sure, you need to oc the pi3b+ to get rid of the fps drops when doing supers. Audio starts to crackle when that happens and the ~58fps confirms it.

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                              • dankcushionsD
                                dankcushions Global Moderator @GreenHawk84
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                                @GreenHawk84 to diagnose we really need your full set of configs.

                                ie
                                /boot/config.txt
                                /opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch.cfg
                                /opt/retropie/configs/fbn/retroarch.cfg
                                /opt/retropie/configs/arcade/retroarch.cfg (if you run it via the arcade folder)

                                and also run the game with verbose logging turned on and show us /dev/shm/runcommand.log

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                                  grant2258 Banned @barbudreadmon
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                                  @barbudreadmon said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                                  No, you are wrong, my pi3+ run a game like rtype (55Hz) or tapper (30Hz) at exactly the same pace than my desktop (with freesync enabled), the only difference is the frame duping. Setting the refresh rate is working properly on pi3+.

                                  anything between 57 and 59 will not dupe you know this 30 and 50 are outside the audio skew so i would say im not worng

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                                    barbudreadmon @grant2258
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                                    @grant2258 said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                                    anything between 57 and 59 will not dupe you know this

                                    No, i don't know any of this. I tried tagteam (57Hz), it was running at the proper speed on both my desktop & pi3+, as far as i can tell you probably just have some bad setting.

                                    Edit : apparently, it's working as you said if you leave default settings, however i've those settings in both my setups, they make refresh rate working properly for me :

                                    vrr_runloop_enable = "true"
                                    video_adaptive_vsync = "true"
                                    

                                    FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                      grant2258 Banned
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                                      yea you can do that or change the audio skew it will fix it as well requires a restart though its a design choice by ra. I thought you where aware of this after the journey topic. Iy is fixable but users will need guidance if they want it working properly it isint an obvious setting

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                                      • GreenHawk84G
                                        GreenHawk84 @dankcushions
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                                        @dankcushions

                                        Please review my files as you requested:

                                        https://1drv.ms/u/s!AluYjzvuXNufjUqJRHVSrdq9wANF?e=4qUecg

                                        Let me know if you can access these properly. I appreciate your effort to see if my setup is faulty.

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                                        • WeirdHW
                                          WeirdH @barbudreadmon
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                                          @barbudreadmon said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                                          vrr_runloop_enable = "true"
                                          video_adaptive_vsync = "true"
                                          

                                          Are these recommended settings? And if so, should I set them in the Fbneo folder, or in the Retroarch one?

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                                          • mituM
                                            mitu Global Moderator @WeirdH
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                                            @WeirdH said in Goodbye fbalpha, welcome fbneo:

                                            Are these recommended settings? And if so, should I set them in the Fbneo folder, or in the Retroarch one?

                                            These settings would be useful if you have a Variable refresh rate (VRR) monitor:

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