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    • George SpiggottG
      George Spiggott @Zering
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      @Zering Tekken 3 worked ok with much the same issues as Soul Calibur. My copy of Soul Edge won't work properly, the controls do not respond. I'll check this isn't a mismatched ROMSET issue and report back.

      Does anyone know if MAME2016 is an ongoing project?

      Currently running:
      Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
      ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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        Zering @George Spiggott
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        @George-Spiggott Thanks for the update, it's good to know.

        Does anybody know why games like Soul Edge and Tekken 3 won't run full speed on a Pi 4? Is it because MAME is designed to cover a range of arcade machines rather than a dedicated emulator?

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          barbudreadmon @Zering
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          @Zering said in Soul Calibre:

          Is it because MAME is designed to cover a range of arcade machines rather than a dedicated emulator?

          That's a nice way to put it, but yeah that's the gist of it : mame emulates thousands of different arcade machines, so it's mostly written for cross-platform compatibility and has very little support for dynarecs (which are specific for 1 arch and generally the best way to workaround slow devices).

          FBNeo developer - github - forum

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          • George SpiggottG
            George Spiggott
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            Mame2016 seems to not like several of my 2016 romset roms, even those that work fine on Mame2010. I also have 2016 roms for Soul Calibur 2 and Soul Calibur 3 but neither of them work at all. There is also an arcade rom for Tekken Tag Tournament that I need to find and try out.

            So far apart from running Soul Calibur without graphical errors I haven't got much out of Mame2016.

            Currently running:
            Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
            ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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              Zering @George Spiggott
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              @George-Spiggott That's a bit of a shame. I was hoping that the Pi 4 would open up tons of games to run with MAME.
              Sounds like I'll stick with my old rom pack then.

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              • retropieuser555R
                retropieuser555 @George Spiggott
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                @George-Spiggott said in Soul Calibre:

                I was also curious as well, it's not a patch on the Dreamcast version which runs upscaled to 1080p with frameskip set to 1.

                That's cool, I didn't realise redream had a frameskip option, does it help with a lot of games as I usually play redream at 720p, if I go higher than that I get a few slowdowns.

                Pi 5 4GB

                Retroflag GPI with raspberry pi zero 2 w/ wifi

                Retroachievements:- lovelessrapture

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                • George SpiggottG
                  George Spiggott
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                  @Zering There were a few games that needed a pi4 and Mame2010. Rad Mobile for example.

                  @retropieuser555 I'm using Flycast with the KMS driver.

                  Currently running:
                  Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
                  ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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                  • George SpiggottG
                    George Spiggott
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                    I can confirm that Tekken Tag Tournament works at around 35 FPS.

                    This is a fairly big deal as the PS2 version of TTT is difficult to emulate on the current emulators so it will be a very long time before we see the PS2 version on the Pi.

                    To recap this is my full list of tested roms that won't run on FBN or Mame2003, the Mame version required and speed. Note that this list is in no way close to definitive.

                    Power Drift (2010 full speed)
                    Rad Mobile (2010 full speed)
                    Soul Edge V2 (2010 almost full speed, use frameskip)
                    Soul Calibur (2016 slow) (use Dreamcast version)
                    Soul Calibur 2 (none)
                    Soul Calibur 3 (none)
                    Tekken 3 (2010 slow, use frameskip)
                    Tekken Tag (2016 slow)
                    Tekken 4 (none)
                    Tekken 5 (none)

                    Currently running:
                    Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
                    ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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                      Zering @George Spiggott
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                      @George-Spiggott as a side note Tekken 6 runs full speed on ppsspp.

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                        barbudreadmon @George Spiggott
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                        @George-Spiggott even if they actually launched on MAME, it's pretty obvious that games running on ps2 hardware and above wouldn't run well on pi4 anyway.

                        FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                        • George SpiggottG
                          George Spiggott @barbudreadmon
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                          @barbudreadmon Yes but I wanted to see if they run at all. I didn't even realise Tekken Tag ran until I looked into this. I only ever had the PS2 version.

                          Currently running:
                          Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
                          ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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                            barbudreadmon @George Spiggott
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                            @George-Spiggott said in Soul Calibre:

                            I didn't even realise Tekken Tag ran until I looked into this. I only ever had the PS2 version.

                            As far as arcade is concerned, tekken tag is actually running on PS1-based arcade hardware, which runs well on mame (it requires a decent device though).

                            FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                            • George SpiggottG
                              George Spiggott
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                              I think that the Pi can probably handle it, it's just a matter of finding the right combination of features in an existing emulator. I'm currently installing Mame 2015 to see what results I can get.

                              Hopefully I can get all of the last few arcade games I have that won't run in FBNeo to run in a single emulator.

                              Currently running:
                              Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
                              ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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                                barbudreadmon @George Spiggott
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                                @George-Spiggott said in Soul Calibre:

                                I think that the Pi can probably handle it, it's just a matter of finding the right combination of features in an existing emulator

                                I wouldn't count too much on MAME for those, iirc namco system 12 (that PS1 arcade hardware) with MAME ran around half speed on my 2.56Ghz NUC.

                                FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                  Zering @barbudreadmon
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                                  @barbudreadmon The System 11 is the PS1 arcade hardware, not 12, if I recall correctly.

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                                    barbudreadmon @Zering
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                                    @Zering system 12 is system 11 with upgraded cpu (100 Mhz instead of 66), as far as emulation is concerned it's basically the same hardware, it's just that you have to run more cpu cycles per frame.

                                    FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                    • George SpiggottG
                                      George Spiggott @barbudreadmon
                                      last edited by George Spiggott

                                      @barbudreadmon said in Soul Calibre:

                                      I wouldn't count too much on MAME for those, iirc namco system 12 (that PS1 arcade hardware) with MAME ran around half speed on my 2.56Ghz NUC.

                                      I would agree. Mame being built for accuracy makes it a poor fit for high end emulation on low spec devices. FBNeo seems to have a more suitable goal as it prioritises speed, but it doesn't support system 11/12. Maybe one of the PS1 emulators supports it like Flycast does for Naomi.

                                      [Edit] I should also correct myself. Soul Edge (system 11) runs at near full speed at approx 57FPS on my Pi4 on Mame 2010.

                                      Currently running:
                                      Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
                                      ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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                                      • George SpiggottG
                                        George Spiggott
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                                        I got hold of a Mame 2010 rom for Tekken Tag Tournament. It plays well with or without frameskip on (over 50 FPS without). It does have slight audio and graphical problems but it is very playable.

                                        Currently running:
                                        Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
                                        ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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                                          barbudreadmon @George Spiggott
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                                          @George-Spiggott I don't know about the tekkens, the only game i was interested in on that platform was Fighting Layers (fgtlayer), which was unplayable on that NUC using MAME (i don't remember if it was 2010 or 2016).

                                          FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                          • George SpiggottG
                                            George Spiggott
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                                            Both Tekken Tag and Soul Calibur are a good 15FPS slower on Mame 2016 compared to Mame 2010 even before taking into account 2016s lack of frameskip. I'll try to take a look at Fighting Layers.
                                            Sadly Soul Calibur has fairly unsurmountable graphical errors on Mame 2010 rendering it quite unplayable.

                                            Does anyone know what the situation is with Mame 2015/2016. Are they in active development? They've been around in experimental at least as long as I have owned a Pi so I assume they were added when they were the latest version. Has anyone found a game that can only be played on them? ( I'm not counting Soul Calibur as it is only borderline playable).

                                            I feel that Mame 2015 adds nothing but potential confusion to the already complex line up of Mame versions available to Pi users. It is just as slow as 2016 but has even fewer features. Is anyone out there actually using Mame 2015? I feel that FBNeo and Mame 2010 are the best two choices at the moment for a Pi4 user. Mame 2016 is fun to experiment with but not useful to game with.

                                            Currently running:
                                            Retropie 4.8.9 on a Pi Zero 2W (Overclock Settings: CPU 1400Mhz)
                                            ES-DE on a GMKtec K6 (Windows 11, 32GB RAM)

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