Old Computer Appreciation Thread

Zering

@folly You're right, it does work. I'll edit the first post.

Folly

@zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly You're right, it does work. I'll edit the first post.

Most credits go to @retropieuser555 for discovering this.

Zering

@folly I'll make sure to mention it.

Folly

@Zering
Read in your first post that you mention that x1 does not work with multidisks.
But you actually can insert a second disk in the menu with "F11" if you really need to.

Folly

@Zering
Did you figure it out making an .m3u with the commandline ?

Zering

@folly Damn. How is something so simple so little known?

Does it work with four disc games, ie. Revolty II?

No for the. M3us, haven't had time. I'll definitely try tonight.

Folly

@zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly Damn. How is something so simple so little known?

Does it work with four disc games, ie. Revolty II?

I can try for you

Zering

@folly That'd be great, although I'll definitely try it myself once I have a bit of time tonight.
Same for m3us, just haven't had time today.

Folly

@Zering
Revolty II does not work.
Disk 0 seems corrupt.
Other disks are have no system files.

The trouble wilh fdd1 is that you have to go through many directorys to get there.

Zering

@folly What a shame. Any chance a better rom could get around the issue?
I can't believe that passed me by though,I knew F11 brought up the emulator too as I used it when I first set up the core earlier this year.

Folly

@zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly What a shame. Any chance a better rom could get around the issue?
I can't believe that passed me by though,I knew F11 brought up the emulator too as I used it when I first set up the core earlier this year.

This is the one I succesfully loaded :
Xanadu Scenario II

You have to start with disk D (comes in fdd0)
It will ask the user disk C.
Via F11 put the user disk in fdd1

There is a Japanes doc file with this game.
I think it explains how you can conver it to 2HD disks.

I think, if supported they con hold more data.

Zering

@folly Brilliant, kudos for figuring that out. Seems like we might actually be able to play some X1 games. Interestingly, Xanadu was first released on the X1 and not the PC88.

Having said all that, I'm still curious as to why the x1 won't work through mess.

Folly

@zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly Brilliant, kudos for figuring that out. Seems like we might actually be able to play some X1 games. Interestingly, Xanadu was first released on the X1 and not the PC88.

Having said all that, I'm still curious as to why the x1 won't work through mess.

How do you know it shoud work on lr-mess ?

Folly

@folly said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly Brilliant, kudos for figuring that out. Seems like we might actually be able to play some X1 games. Interestingly, Xanadu was first released on the X1 and not the PC88.

Having said all that, I'm still curious as to why the x1 won't work through mess.

How do you know it shoud work on lr-mess ?

It should indeed work, found this with :

mame -listmedia | grep x1

x1 floppydisk1 (flop1) .2d .d77 .d88 .1dd .dfi .hfe .imd .ipf .mfi .mfm .td0 .cqm .cqi .dsk

I think there is not yet a valerino script. or is there ?

Zering

@folly I looked up the system's page on progettoemma.
Did you see my post about x1 and mess? It seems mess doesn't recognise the software.

Folly

@zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly I looked up the system's page on progettoemma.
Did you see my post about x1 and mess? It seems mess doesn't recognise the software.

No I didn't

How did you install this ?

Zering

@folly I used lr-mess, added an lr-mess in configs/x1/emulators.cfg, placed the four x1 bios in my bios, roms and x1 directories and ran mess 0.151 software list roms in a .zip.
I'll find my last post and edit.

Zering

@zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly Thanks. It's going to take a while. And I'll need to find some games to recommend for some of those more obscure systems ^^

Edit : Tried running X1 through MESS again. Got unexpected results.

I used Xanadu as an example as I'm mostly keen to try and get some multi-disk games started. The core starts but the game doesn't. I'm booted back to ES after a few seconds.

The log is strange :

log

Here is the part I think is at the source of the issue :

[libretro INFO] Starting game from command line:/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x1/xanadu.zip
[libretro INFO] ARGUV[0]=/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x1/xanadu.zip
[libretro WARN] Driver xanadu not found -1
[libretro WARN] Game not found: xanadu
[libretro INFO] Game name: x1, Game description: X1 (CZ-800C)
[libretro INFO] Game name: x1, Game description: X1 (CZ-800C)
[libretro INFO] System found: x1

"xanadu" approximately matches the following
supported software items (best match first):

It's like lr-mess isn't finding the software at all. Yet when I look at my x1_flop hash :

<software name="xanadu">
		<description>Xanadu</description>
		<year>1985</year>
		<publisher>æ—¥æœ¬ãƒ•ã‚¡ãƒ«ã‚³ãƒ  (Nihon Falcom)</publisher>
		<info name="release" value="198511xx"/>
		<info name="alt_title" value="ã‚¶ãƒŠãƒ‰ã‚¥"/>
		<part name="flop1" interface="floppy_5_25">
			<dataarea name="flop" size="415840">
				<rom name="xanadu_a.d88" size="415840" crc="89ff1612" sha1="a1e9abfde29f169841a6e77267cf85f1a69475cd" offset="0" />
			</dataarea>
		</part>
		<part name="flop2" interface="floppy_5_25">
			<dataarea name="flop" size="415840">
				<rom name="xanadu_b.d88" size="415840" crc="40bf59ac" sha1="3586dee49739d72ffe827435bf8fa3211d0b5cca" offset="0" />
			</dataarea>
		</part>
		<part name="flop3" interface="floppy_5_25">
			<dataarea name="flop" size="416384">
				<rom name="xanadu_c(user).d88" size="416384" crc="e3d2cff7" sha1="bc2bb8b7a145462b5233e353f500d9be1f5397f8" offset="0" />
			</dataarea>
		</part>
	</software>

There are some notes at the beginning of the hash file concerning compatibility, but nothing about Xanadu.

Games I haven't managed to start (possibly due to my mistakes):
* zeliard: at the end of the intro it prints "read EMM address [00]" while waiting for something
* suikoden, sangoku2, sangoku2a, nobuseng: sits to a jpn message waiting for who knows what
* revolty2: waits for something to happen
* reviver: waits for something to happen
* mule, mulea: waits for something to happen
* mugen2: waits for something to happen
* lastarma: sits forever at the first intro screen
* lagrange, dside: incomplete dump, needs system disc?
* hajafuin: waits for something to happen
* gatlabyr: how to start a game?
* gambler2: how to pass the first menu?
* crimson, crimsona: which disk combination is expected?
* blassty: stuck at no animation menu

Games with possible issues (either in emulation or in dump):
* wizardry->4: can't add character name. also how to create a duplicate disk (in pc8801 they were in the disk set)?
* profmj: true 400 lines mode not implemented?
* mightmag: corrupted chars
* lizard: waits for something to happen
* hydlide2b has no saved data, while hydlide2 &amp; hydlide2a have characters in them
* hydlide3b: fails to see the user disk + the set contains at least 1 hydlide disk (check crc16)
* gruppe: starts loading then errors out as if the disk is not recognized
* gradiusk: is this supposed to do something?
* frontlin: input issue?
* dione: does not display text correctly
* blckonyx: is it missing a data disk?
* bastard: does not start. input issue?
* arcus: black screen after wolfteam logo
* aokiooka: glitches (chars cut in half)
* alpha: is the title screen correct or is it glitched (I'd bet the latter)?
* advfant: glitches
* ys: character sprite is glitched until you enter a new area

Games which start loading but never reach the program:
* vipc
* vipd
* turbobas (but not the clone turbobasa)
* turbzbas
* scruiser
* psyoblad
* powermj
* kingkngt
* jesus
* jesusd
* hydlide3, hydlide3a (invalid disks 2?)
* aztec
* ys3

Games which are completely not recognized (maybe not for x1?)
* unk_fl1
* srdemo
* robowres
* punchbal
* manilove
* fmdata

This thing has me stumped. Maybe one of you computer whizzes can figure it out.

Here @Folly

Folly

@zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly I used lr-mess, added an lr-mess in configs/x1/emulators.cfg, placed the four x1 bios in my bios, roms and x1 directories and ran mess 0.151 software list roms in a .zip.
I'll find my last post and edit.

I am almost certain that doesn't work because after sept 2020 there was an update of lr-mess and my script for CDI didn't work anymore. It gave initializing. This was the old way of running things with lr-mess. Just like you do with "x1". We still don't actually know why it doesn't work anymore. And whats also a problem, of the old way, it uses a softlists. A database with filenames that only run if they are exactly the same. I see that in your logs.

To get it working we have to make a valarino alike script. Just what i did with P2000T.

It's very easy. I think I can edit one, because it's not on valerino's github.
So he didn't make this system.
Then we can try again.

EDIT : you can remove your logs, if you like.

Zering

@folly How do you make a script like that?