Retropie 4.3 INput Lag - Help Wanted

dankcushions

great video! if only all reports came like this...

does the delay only happen with spinner games? what about buttons only?

mikemolang

Thank you dankcushions.

My Retropie is set for 1920 x 1080 at 60 frames per second. However, the camera that I used to determine my input lag runs at 29.97 frames per second. So, I need to double the number of frames seen on the camera to convert back to Retropie frames.

Arkanoid Spinner Input Lag = 12 Retropie frames
Arkanoid Keyboard Input Lag = 12 Retropie frames

Asteroids Keyboard Input Lag = 8 Retropie frames
The lag is the same to start moving once key is pressed and to stop after key is released, as expected.

Dig Dug Keyboard Input Lag = 10 Retropie frames

Best,
MML

Darksavior

I use a pad, so I can't speak from experience, but have you tried the same games in lr-fbalpha or another version of mame? Trying a different emulator might have different results.

mikemolang

@darksavior said in Retropie 4.3 INput Lag - Help Wanted:

have you tried the same games in lr-fbalpha or another version of mame

Thanks for the suggestion, darksavior.

Right now I am trying to baseline the performance of Retropie in general. Trying other emulators may be a good future step if I determine that others are able to get measurably better results than I am already getting.

I would like to hear from folks regarding the actual input lag they experience so I know if there is reason for me to try to improve on what I have, or if I have already achieved pretty much the best that I can expect.

Best,
MML

mikemolang

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rsn8887

10-12 frames of lag is hardly acceptable! I would say 1-3 frames might be acceptable. Games like Street Fighter become almost unplayable at more than 3 frames of lag. Some later levels in Super Mario World such as the ice levels in Special World will be almost impossible with the lag you reported.

mikemolang

@rsn8887

Thank you. That is what I thought, too.

Can you tell me how many frames of input lag you are getting for these titles, and how you measured it? Also, what configuration changes were made to get there, as compared to a clean install?

Thanks!
MML

rsn8887

I did only test with Mario World on SNES (jump button lag). Since you have the test setup I would do some more debugging to single out the cause of the issue. For example, do you also experience this lag in other games and systems? If not, it is a specific issue of the Retroarch mame core itself.

I did not make any configuration changes to my system apart from disabling on board wifi.

The only solution I found to reduce the input lag I experienced was to use Dualshock 4 PlayStation controllers with the official Sony USB Wireless Adapters, as explained in the Retropie docs.

I bet there are other ways to reduce input lag, but that is what worked for me.

Darksavior

Try a usb controller to rule out the joystick isn't the problem. Try another monitor or tv to rule that out. Not all game mode's are created equal. Also, check if that "AMA" setting is on, it supposedly decreases response time.

rsn8887

I just figured out that my solution of using DS4 controllers with the Sony USB wireless dongle only works well for one player. I have two DS4 controllers and two dongles and the second player has very large input lag.

So this problem of input lag, especially for multiplayer, is far from being solved it seems.

Kookamunga

Have you tried reducing the resolution of the mame core? I keep mine at 640x480 where the aspect ratio will allow, and everything seems to run quite well, with hardly any discernable lag. Most of these games are close to this resolution as a source anyways, so taxing the Pi with such a high resolution seems unnecessary. I use HQScale2x as a shader, which eliminates most of the downfall of running a lower resolution on an LCD display, with minimal performance degradation.

mikemolang

@darksavior

I tried a Buffalo classic USB gamepad. First I tried it while the Logitech and the ipac2 were still connected, then I removed the Logitech and the ipac2. I rebooted the system between each change. There was no change.

I tried a 7 year old 27" Sanyo HDTV with HDMI, set to Game mode. It was no better, and seemed slightly worse.

My monitor is a BenQ GL2760H, which I purchased because it gets rave reviews for being a fast gaming monitor.
(https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IZBIMLK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I turned AMA on, and there was no change.

I would love it if someone out there is willing to run a test using the following, and tell me their input lag. I need an apples to apples comparision:

Raspberry Pi 3B
Retropie 4.3, clean install, no configuration changes except mapping input control
arknoidu.zip 0.78 ROM
lr-mame2003 emulator
Keyboard input
Extra points for using a BenQ GL2760H!!!

Another thought...
I copy my ROMs to the microSD card (128GB SanDisk). Are there any known problem with that, versus running them from a USB thumb drive?

Best,
MML

mikemolang

@kookamunga

Regarding, "Have you tried reducing the resolution of the mame core? I keep mine at 640x480 where the aspect ratio will allow"

No, I have not, but I am willing to try. Can you point me to where I should make that change?

THANKS!!!
MML

chipsnblip

@mikemolang

https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-setup/wiki/Speed-Issues#resolution

also try toggling on/off the v-sync and threaded video settings in retroarch

Kookamunga

@mikemolang While the game is booting, repeatedly press select on your gamepad. From there you will get a menu asking you your default options, and you can select the default resolution for either just the current rom you are loading, or for the core across the board. Once you have changed the default resolution, then you can select launch game. From then on, every game you load that uses that core will run at that resolution. The only core I run higher than 640x480 is GBA, which I run at 1280x720 strictly because of the aspect ratio. Your mileage may vary, as each TV handles lower resolutions differently. But on my Toshiba 50" TV, color somehow seems more vibrant, and everything seems more responsive. You may also need to change your aspect ratio on your TV so as not to stretch the image.

mikemolang

@chipsnblip

Thanks.

These were already set by default:

Edit /opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch.cfg
list itemvideo_threaded = true
video_smooth = false
audio_driver = alsathread
rewind_enable = false

I decreased the Render Resolution to 640 x 480 in the runcommand menu, just before the game starts. It had no effect on input lag, although the image was a little degraded.

I am using my TV's native resolution 1080p (1920x1080).

Game Mode has been enabled throughout all testing, and the monitor is set to the only HDMI port when it powers on, which is where the Raspberry Pi is plugged in.

I forgot to retest the toggling on/off the v-sync and threaded video settings in retroarch. I am pretty sure that I already tried those, but will try again tomorrow.

Someone, please... Do a clean install and get definitive numbers based on the same set up so that we can be sure that there really is something here, or not. It seems uncanny to me that with such a basic, clean setup (RP3B, Retropie 4.3, lr-mame2003, 0.78 ROM, Game Mode fast monitor, simple keyboard or simple USB controller input), that I should be getting anything that is significantly different than anyone else. I have nothing custom or configured going on here. to confound things. I think that is the first step (as opposed to continually modifying the config). For all we know, what I am getting with this configuration and ROM set is the same as what anyone else would get.

Tomorrow I hope to try a clean install yet again and only hook up a single wired USB keyboard. I also plan to try a different microSD card. I also will ty to test on the 46" Samsung HDTV (8 years old?). But still, lets do some good science; someone please try to duplicate my results.

Thanks all. I really do appreciate the help.

Best,
MML
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mikemolang

@mikemolang

Well, technically it is tomorrow already, so instead of going to bed, I had to keep working.

Clean install to a 8GB microSD. Configured Logitech K-400 keyboard only. Same story.

Brought the rig into the familyroom and hooked up to the 46" Samsung (approx. 8 years old), set it to Game Mode. Same story.

Is there a way to run diagnostic on a the Raspberry Pi?

Best,
MML

Kookamunga

@mikemolang you changed the rendering resolution, but did you also try changing the output resolution?

dankcushions

render/output resolution has absolutely zero effect here.

can you show the same lag issue using button (not keyboard) input on another mame2003 game? on your video it doesn't appear to show any noticeable lag when you it 'start' on your ipac.

spinner input uses a different code path in mame2003 so it's possible that has unique issues.

mikemolang

@dankcushions

Yes, I can show the same lag issue using button (not keyboard) input on another mame2003 game. See videos here:

These resulted in the following numbers:

Asteroids Keyboard Input Lag = 8 Retropie frames
The lag is the same to start moving once key is pressed and to stop after key is released, as expected.
Dig Dug Keyboard Input Lag = 10 Retropie frames

I am willing to send my Pi, microSD, power supply, cables, and a Buffalo Gamepad to any person that feels they are capable of looking it over, adding some value, and sending it back to me (I will pay postage both ways, of course). I need someone that has already proven that they can get Arkanoid 0.78 running cleanly under lr-mame2003 using Retropie 4.3 on a Pi3B with either a simple USB gamepad, or a USB keyboard.

If willing, let me know what your lag looks like for my stated config. I don't care if you send me a video, or just tell me. I trust you, I just want to know that you really have it working.

Next question: Anyone know of a simple PC in a box that will run Retropie? I have almost finished building a pretty sweet cabinet and really want to to put the electronics behind me and get this baby on line.

Best,
MML