Why can't you hide gamelist entries any more?

SpudsMcToole

@mitu Tried that. It doesn't work for Neo Geo. I thought I'd had a stroke of genius when I put the .ZIP bit in caps and removed the caps suffix from ES_SYSTEMS.CFG, but while that successfully hid it the emulator then couldn't find it either :(

mitu

@SpudsMcToole said in Why can't you hide gamelist entries any more?:

Tried that. It doesn't work for Neo Geo

Where are you copying the BIOS files ? For fbneo, it's BIOS/fbneo, though it should work by copying directly to the BIOS folder.

SpudsMcToole

@mitu It doesn't work for stuff that's running in lr-mame2003/plus/2010, though, which is what I'm running most games on.

Riverstorm

@SpudsMcToole - You can also build your set/ROMs with the needed BIOS files on a per ROM basis which overall doesn't make the set to much larger and it would get rid of the neogeo.zip altogether. It should be a switch in ClrMamePro.

@mitu - When running a m3plus game and looking at the RA directory settings it shows System/BIOS set to /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS is there something more that's needed to allow 2003/m3plus to have the neogeo.zip located in that folder?

mitu

@Riverstorm said in Why can't you hide gamelist entries any more?:

@mitu - When running a m3plus game and looking at the RA directory settings it shows System/BIOS set to /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS is there something more that's needed to allow 2003/m3plus to have the neogeo.zip located in that folder?

As far as I know, the mame cores use the SYSTEM_DIRECTORY for samples, artwork (?), cheats, but not for searching additional ROMs.

Riverstorm

@mitu - Ok, yeah I did verbose logging and m3plus definitely fails to find the BIOS files when located in the BIOS directory. It seems like a good additional place to look. :) fbneo works fine when the BIOS files are located in that folder.

@grant2258 - Do you know if that's an easy tweak to allow the BIOS files to be located in the BIOS folder for m3plus also?

dankcushions

hang on, BIOS files should be hidden autmatically as per this PR https://github.com/RetroPie/EmulationStation/pull/432 - no folder changes needed, no tags needed.

i just checked and neogeo.zip is hidden for me on a default install of current retropie. @SpudsMcToole, update emulationstation. your version is from 2017. infact, you really should be starting from a new image, as you're way out of date. this is why we ask for full system info in https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/3/read-this-first

Riverstorm

Nice, it worked fine here on 2.8.4. I guess I never noticed the change of auto-hiding as I have most of my neogeo games in fbneo with the BIOS in the BIOS folder to keep it hidden.

I suppose it will come in handy the more current you go with MAME as their's quite a few BIOS and device sets which I think split out around 2010-2011. That could potentially leave a slew of things to hide depending on what core/games you run.

Using the Arcade folder you can combine the neogeo BIOS files from 2003, plus and fbneo by renaming same name different hash files. Then you can choose whatever core you want for a specific neogeo game without conflict.

grant2258

@Riverstorm it would certainly be doable to add and extra rompath to point to the libretro bios dir. The neogeo bios issue conflict was fixed the bios files where renamed but in general your right its a thing that could be an issue if you get the same name different hash conflict again. It would be worth posting an issue on if you share the directory with more than one emulator.

The original issue was hiding the bios which seems it does this itself now something i didnt realize myself because i make my own gamelists up with the mame dat and a python script.

SpudsMcToole

@dankcushions said in Why can't you hide gamelist entries any more?:

update emulationstation. your version is from 2017. infact, you really should be starting from a new image, as you're way out of date

Haven't the first idea how. I'd gone to the EmulationStation homepage and it said the latest release was 2.0.1a:

https://emulationstation.org/releases.html

So that wasn't very helpful and I had no idea what to do after that. I can't find an update option in ES or Retropie. The idea of starting a whole new image from scratch, which seems to be everyone's answer to everything like a PC helpline telling you to switch it off and on again, seems a bit like smashing your house to rubble with a wrecking ball and building a new one because you've lost the TV remote.

Some of us just want to play the games and are picking all the rest of it up on the hoof, y'know? If the choices are "risk burning everything down and wrecking hundreds of hours of work doing something I don't understand" and "put up with a marginally untidy gamelist with a BIOS file or two in it", I'll just live with the untidiness.

Riverstorm

@grant2258 - Thanks for taking a look you're usually a wiz at this kind of stuff! ;) I'll open an issue and see if someone feels it's worth looking into tweaking it.

@SpudsMcToole - I'm winging it here but I think if you go into the 'RetroPie Setup' (from within Emulationstation--RetroPie Setup) and update the RetroPie script (to get the new versions/updates in the script). Then under I think 'Main Packages' you'll find Emulationstation that can be updated. You might want to have an image backup in case it "breaks" anything. You'll get the file hidden and some new features to boot. If I remember I think you did a whole lot of custom controls setup once upon a time?

mitu

@SpudsMcToole said in Why can't you hide gamelist entries any more?:

Haven't the first idea how. I'd gone to the EmulationStation homepage and it said the latest release was 2.0.1a:
https://emulationstation.org/releases.html

RetroPie has its own fork of EmulationStation, what you're pointing is the upstream project, which is unmaintained for years.

So that wasn't very helpful and I had no idea what to do after that. I can't find an update option in ES or Retropie.

https://retropie.org.uk/docs/Updating-RetroPie/#updatinginstalling-individual-packages

dankcushions

@SpudsMcToole said in Why can't you hide gamelist entries any more?:

The idea of starting a whole new image from scratch, which seems to be everyone's answer to everything like a PC helpline telling you to switch it off and on again, seems a bit like smashing your house to rubble with a wrecking ball and building a new one because you've lost the TV remote.

Some of us just want to play the games and are picking all the rest of it up on the hoof, y'know? If the choices are "risk burning everything down and wrecking hundreds of hours of work doing something I don't understand" and "put up with a marginally untidy gamelist with a BIOS file or two in it", I'll just live with the untidiness.

we have been through this before with you: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/23929/anyone-managed-to-install-lr-vice/11?_=1586804569028

typically we're not going to be able to support you running an ancient version - this thread is a great example - your issue isn't a new regression like you worded it in your post title, it's something that was added in 2018, but you're running a version from 2017.

the choice you have available is: keep your old setup, but be unsupported, or update, and we will be able to help. of course, i doubt you CAN update at this point, as you're two whole versions of raspbian behind!

i don't have a problem with you sticking with an old version, but please don't seek support for it without behing very clear that that is what you're running by filling in https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/3/read-this-first (which we request all users do, anyway), and be prepared for the answer in most situations being: "you need to update".

SpudsMcToole

@Riverstorm said in Why can't you hide gamelist entries any more?:

@grant2258 - Thanks for taking a look you're usually a wiz at this kind of stuff! ;) I'll open an issue and see if someone feels it's worth looking into tweaking it.

@SpudsMcToole - I'm winging it here but I think if you go into the 'RetroPie Setup' (from within Emulationstation--RetroPie Setup) and update the RetroPie script (to get the new versions/updates in the script). Then under I think 'Main Packages' you'll find Emulationstation that can be updated. You might want to have an image backup in case it "breaks" anything. You'll get the file hidden and some new features to boot. If I remember I think you did a whole lot of custom controls setup once upon a time?

No, I looked in there and there's no option to update ES.

SpudsMcToole

@dankcushions said in Why can't you hide gamelist entries any more?:

we have been through this before with you: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/23929/anyone-managed-to-install-lr-vice/11?_=1586804569028

typically we're not going to be able to support you running an ancient version - this thread is a great example - your issue isn't a new regression like you worded it in your post title, it's something that was added in 2018, but you're running a version from 2017.

the choice you have available is: keep your old setup, but be unsupported, or update, and we will be able to help. of course, i doubt you CAN update at this point, as you're two whole versions of raspbian behind!

i don't have a problem with you sticking with an old version, but please don't seek support for it without behing very clear that that is what you're running by filling in https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/3/read-this-first (which we request all users do, anyway), and be prepared for the answer in most situations being: "you need to update".

I don't mind the answer being "You're running an old version, you're screwed", and appreciate the answers. But there does seem to be an enormous amount of expectation that everyone will KNOW stuff like that, when there's no obvious way for an ordinary user to know.

Like I said, I do try to check all this stuff and only ask here as a last resort so as not to waste people's time. But if you Google ES you get a website that looks official with nothing to suggest anywhere else you should be looking. Retropie documentation in general is an incomprehensible labyrinth for normal folk, which is why I've tried to help by writing a couple of plain-language guides for stuff I've managed to figure out (AdvMESS and Pico-8).

I mean, I thought about trying to install Daphne the other day and went looking for instructions, and everything would have made more sense if it had been translated into Aramaic by a drunk chicken 😂

sirhenrythe5th

@SpudsMcToole i also started as an ordinary user (and still am compared to dankcushions & co.), but i had a lot of success with the documentation alone.
What i did different from you when i used google-search: i always used the prefix "retropie" when looking for something.
So i did not search for "emulationstation" but for "retropie emulationstation" to get specific results i.e.
I have never been on the official ES-Site ;)
And you can update "Emulationstation" within the retropie_setup for sure!, it is under "main packages/core packages" when i remember right (i am at work right now, so no Pi near me to verify).

Riverstorm

@SpudsMcToole - I believe it should be there even on older versions. I don't mind giving you hand if it helps. As of late I have a little extra time due heterogeneous world events.

On your ES carousel there should be a stylized RetroPie logo as one of the selectable systems. Basically the same as selecting an emulator/core.

Then select RetroPie Setup -> Update RetroPie-Setup script. This should update your script to the current version.

Then select Manage packages -> Manage Core Packages.

Under Manage Core Packages select Emulationstation (Installed). From there you have the options to Udpate From Binary or Update From Source.

The wording might be slightly different and I left out the number options as they do seem to change occasionally but it should be generally the correct steps to get ES updated.