No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.
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Are you guys serious? You banned him for having a different opinion? How this ended proofs him right. If we, the community don't like someone's opinion we just ban him? I have seen far worse people in here that deserved a ban but he was definitely not one of them.
You like it or not or maybe your personal experience with the Pi was different but as he said I also think that it got its biggest popularity boost due to the whole emulation thing. Otherwise what are we for here? Look at the sudden rise of themes for Emulationstation or accessory to make the Pi more of a home device than a science project.
Without the whole emulation stuff ES would have never evolved that far nor Retropie nor Pegasus.@administrators
You should definitely reconsider your ban decision here or one might really think this is the Gestapo. Free to have opinions and agree to disagree.
As long no swearing or personal attacks are made.
Saying we are like the Gestapo is not personal it is a fact for the behavior we showed towards him.A disappointed long time member here.
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@FlyingTomahawk perhaps you should re-read the entire thread. Nowhere did anyone attack him for having a difference of opinion. Instead he took offense to everyone else having a different opinion from his own. In fact he really seemed to be getting worked up about it and started throwing accusations around. The guy needed some time to cool off. And from Buzz's message it sounds like a temporary ban.
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@FlyingTomahawk Erm... no.
He got a 2 day ban for making it personal. As said - read the whole thread.
You're not helping btw. Please don't create a big drama.
To help us help you - please make sure you read the sticky topics before posting - https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/3/read-this-first
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I just did re-read the whole topic and I come to the same conclusion.
You want me to quote some of the comments to prove my point?
You and mitu clearly did not read what he was writing. That is why he might got a bit frustrated that doesn't make him wrong.The reason or main goal as to why the Raspberry Foundation build the Pi in the first place and the reason the Pi is so popular now have nothing to do with each other and that is what I read from your guys conversation. You guys were simply talking past each other.
Here a good example
He said:
Also, one could argue that it is emulation that has put the Pi where it is today.
mitus answer was
No, it's not - that's probably what you seem to fail to understand - retrogaming or emulation is not the target of the Pi Foundation when designing the Pi.
It doesn't matter what the target of the creator was. The undeniable fact remains that the Pi got its popularity due to Emulation.
Search Youtube for Raspberry Pi what search results do you get? I doubt it is about some science project in some university.
Maybe you and mitu got a first glimps of the Pi at someones science project which is great but still the fact remains Pi popularity = EmulationBuzz did give him a warning to cool off but he didn't give him any chance to replay or answer unless he did and Buzz removed it.
I just think this could have been handled a bit differently that's all I am saying.
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@BuZz said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
@FlyingTomahawk Erm... no.
He got a 2 day ban for making it personal. As said - read the whole thread.
You're not helping btw. Please don't create a big drama.
I still can't see where it got personal but that's OK. It is your playground and that what I have to respect.
I'm done for to day I guess. Have a nice day everyone. -
My own personal opinion btw, is that emulation is not as important as people may believe in regards to the popularity of the raspberry pi. I would think there are many more Kodi only users. Maybe emulation is at 3 or 4 on a top list. I can draw a conclusion based on units sold and our download stats. My own experience with meeting people at raspberry pi events and locally, would also reflect this.
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@FlyingTomahawk accusing moderators of downvoting (they didn't at the time - I downvoted a couple of posts later though when I came on the thread), referring to moderators as Gestapo, and saying "Christ, kids the lot of you" (for disagreeing only - noone had made any personal attack towards @John_RM_70).
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So anyway.
Yeah, it’s too bad no new pi but I’d rather wait for what was planned than having a rushed unpolished system. You really can’t beat what these things are capable of for the price.
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Buzz, just quickly something I want to mention.
You see my first post here in this topic? It got a down vote. And THAT is exactly what is wrong and what the other guy got frustrated with. I get a down vote for what? Expressing my opinion? Was I offensive or personal? That is exactly the childish behavior he was mentioning.
I didn't down vote anyone's post here or in any other topic unless they contain swearing or really offensive behavior. Neither did he. mitu, quicksilver, you or who ever is involved in this conversation are entitled to your opinions. So am I, as long no one of us shoots under the belt line.The down vote system should not be abused to express a disagreement in opinion but to make post visible that are not appropriate.
In future, at least show the names of the down voters so we can ask why. You can see the names on up votes when mouse over but not on down votes. -
@FlyingTomahawk said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
I didn't down vote anyone's post here or in any other topic unless they contain swearing or really offensive behavior. Neither did he. mitu, quicksilver, you or who ever is involved in this conversation are entitled to your opinions. So am I, as long no one of us shoots under the belt line.
@John_RM_70 didn't get any downvotes until he started angrily accusing me - or any other moderators - about ganging up. I noted that in my latest reply to the topic.
The down vote system should not be abused to express a disagreement in opinion but to make post visible that are not appropriate.
I agree, and probably that's why the downvotes appeared - for @John_RM_70 - after he went off-topic. I don't know who downvoted you, but it's probably because you ignored the 'please don't amplify the drama' request.
In future, at least show the names of the down voters so we can ask why. You can see the names on up votes when mouse over but not on down votes.
I'm not sure if it's a setting or just how the forum software works. As a moderator, I can see the same info as you (i.e. I don't see who downvited), so it might be something that's built into the forum software.
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It was my first post. The don't make a drama warning comment came after it.
I just know it got out of hand quickly and it ain't the first time. I am visiting many other forums for other hobbies of mine and none has this kind of behavior issues. Maybe emulation makes people aggressive? Can't say for sure.
A thicker skin is probably more appropriate in this forum.
Anyways, as Buzz said I shouldn't make a big fuss out of it.
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@FlyingTomahawk as a moderator i can see all the downvotes (@mitu, you click on the vote count - it’s a little tricky on mobile!)
anyway, i think your comment agreeing that the moderators are like the gestapo is downvote-worthy. the gestapo were tasked with investigating and capturing the jews so they could be slaughtered; we’re trying to keep discussion about emulation civil. cmon dude!
but yeah, things can get heated about all sorts of daft things online. let’s all get along ❤️
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@dankcushions said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
@mitu, you click on the vote count - it’s a little tricky on mobile!
You're right - while the 'upvotes' appear on a simple hover, the 'downvotes' do not. Thanks for mentioning, I guess I was to lazy to click around :).
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@dankcushions said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
anyway, i think your comment agreeing that the moderators are like the gestapo is downvote-worthy.
Indeed a poor choice of word/quote by me and I apologize for it.
I just felt that the ban hammer flew faster then Thor's Mjolnir that's all. Usually in other forums you get 1-2 warnings and then evtl. a temporary or permanent ban. But then again it is Buzz's forum and the fact is that he can do as he pleases and he decided to give the guy a cool off time. But I wouldn't be surprised if he won't show up anymore.
Like I said the guys were talking past each other. One guy talks about oranges the others about apples. And calling someone a Troll is just putting more oil into the fire instead of defusing the situation. I take it that most of us here are in our 40s-50s?? Adults talking to each other should not ended the way it did.
Anyways, things have been said and done and now it is over. So let's get back on topic otherwise Buzz will have a hell of a clean up to do.
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@FlyingTomahawk said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
"I take it that most of us here are in our 40s-50s?? ."Nope, way under that dude. Although a fully fledged adult.
Back on topic, I'm slightly disappointed at the lack of a new Pi this year, but it will save me pennies. I've bought a few 3's this year to make retrogaming systems for my friends. Although there are some limitations with the Retropie and its emulation (particularly N64) I find tinkering with the software/emulation/retropie far more satisfying than upgrading the hardware. If that makes any sense. I'm by no means gifted when it comes to coding, so its good to learn.
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For me its ok not having a new generation of Raspi this year. :-) So we can play with what we got now. At least I will, because I just finished my first year in RetroPie. For you maybe its a longer time since you started RetroPie and Raspberry Pi, so I can understand that you want a new toy.
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@goobatroopa lol @ assuming all retrogamers are 40-50 years old
I am 17
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I am 45, so in my case it matches 😂
@topic: i am also a bit dissapointed that there will be no Pi4 this year, but i can unterstand that.
I am at the point that i cannot improve my image for the Pi3B+ any more.
So i will use the time till the release of the Pi4 by switching back to a PC, in fact a Intel NUC Mini-PC with enough power for any system i would like to emulate including PS2, GameCube and Saturn.
I will use Launchbox as Frontend, so i will be busy and dont have to be too bored till 2020. -
@sirhenrythe5th said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
Intel NUC Mini-PC
They look cool and have powerful specs; still way too expensive for just retrogaming. If you use it also as a standard pc it could make sense.
I got my old i7 with a quite nice graphics card that I use mainly for photography related sw and sometimes for "serious" PC gaming (read: Company of Heroes II).Still having a small (and silent) device to connect to a 55' TV and play the classics is a totally different story :-)).
And yes, all that tinkering with settings/configs and artwork is big part of the fun.
While waiting for the new Pi plenty of artwork is still to be created to make my "perfect" personal Retropie. -
@UDb23 said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:
While waiting for the new Pi plenty of artwork is still to be created to make my "perfect" personal Retropie.
You sharing that artwork is at least one thing I can look forward to then :)
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