No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.

thelostsoul

For me its ok not having a new generation of Raspi this year. :-) So we can play with what we got now. At least I will, because I just finished my first year in RetroPie. For you maybe its a longer time since you started RetroPie and Raspberry Pi, so I can understand that you want a new toy.

hazeldig

@goobatroopa lol @ assuming all retrogamers are 40-50 years old

I am 17

sirhenrythe5th

I am 45, so in my case it matches 😂

@topic: i am also a bit dissapointed that there will be no Pi4 this year, but i can unterstand that.

I am at the point that i cannot improve my image for the Pi3B+ any more.
So i will use the time till the release of the Pi4 by switching back to a PC, in fact a Intel NUC Mini-PC with enough power for any system i would like to emulate including PS2, GameCube and Saturn.
I will use Launchbox as Frontend, so i will be busy and dont have to be too bored till 2020.

UDb23

@sirhenrythe5th said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:

Intel NUC Mini-PC

They look cool and have powerful specs; still way too expensive for just retrogaming. If you use it also as a standard pc it could make sense.
I got my old i7 with a quite nice graphics card that I use mainly for photography related sw and sometimes for "serious" PC gaming (read: Company of Heroes II).

Still having a small (and silent) device to connect to a 55' TV and play the classics is a totally different story :-)).
And yes, all that tinkering with settings/configs and artwork is big part of the fun.
While waiting for the new Pi plenty of artwork is still to be created to make my "perfect" personal Retropie.

quicksilver

@UDb23 said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:

While waiting for the new Pi plenty of artwork is still to be created to make my "perfect" personal Retropie.

You sharing that artwork is at least one thing I can look forward to then :)

sirhenrythe5th

@UDb23 to be honest i really want to use the NUC only for retrogaming 😊
I dont use Office or similar programs at home since i work with it every day in my job.
Emulation is my main hobby since 20 years now and so i have no problem with paying more than for a Pi (talking about the NUC i7 Enthusiast btw. It's about 750€ here in germany which is even less expensive than my Athlon FX-55 i bought in 2003. And that was only a CPU 😊)

Of course my beloved Raspberry Pi will be used further on!!! I love my setup with the CRT, something that will not be possible so easily with a NUC

UDb23

@quicksilver said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:

You sharing that artwork is at least one thing I can look forward to then :)

And here you go ;-)

herb_fargus

I guess it gives them a year to improve software support

Clyde

@thelostsoul said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:

For me its ok not having a new generation of Raspi this year. :-)

Same here. My Pi 3b (without +) runs all the systems that I need in my upright arcade cabinet, and I have too many games to play anyway. For anything else I have my Linux PCs (1 Tower PC that I seldom use nowadays, 1 Mini PC, and 1 Laptop).

That said, anyone who was hoping for a Pi 4 this year has my sincerest sympathy.

Brunnis

Kind of weird responses from Upton... I was not expecting the Pi 4 this year, but some of his answers made me raise my eyebrows, especially these:

"I think we kind of understand what featureset we want [and] what would be involved in getting that featureset. I don’t think we have a defined plan for turning that into a product yet."

Upton told us that he and his team haven't yet decided on a process node.

So he wants us to believe that since the Pi 3 was released in 2016, they might have gained somewhat of an understanding of the features they want but they don't even have a plan for how to turn it into a product. Considering the challenges they face, i.e. the need for a completely new SoC, I'd say that means the Pi is at least two years away from launch. The chance of them going from "there's no defined plan" to having designed/manufactured/tested a new SoC, implemented it on a new board and written launch ready software/drivers for it in one year are slim, to say the least. I'm a programmer and embedded systems designer myself, so I have at least some experience to draw from.

All of the above is if Upton is completely honest in his answers. There's at least some chance he's just trolling us all.

herb_fargus

@Brunnis said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:

There's at least some chance he's just trolling us all.

One can hope

dankcushions

with eric anholt (the guy who wrote the open source driver for the pi's VC4 gpu) about a year deep into writing the open source driver for the broadcom VC5 gpu (see https://anholt.github.io/twivc4/) i think it's a fairly good bet that the RPI4 will have VC5 (gles 3.1, vulkan, etc), which i assume dictates the kind of cpu/chipset/memory configs it can have, etc.

there's also been engineers on the RPI forum saying they know what it's going to be (i can't find the link), so i think upton is being a little bit evasive for whatever reason. i'm pretty sure they know the design at this point.

mitu

@dankcushions I seem to remember also something like this - maybe it was this topic ?

dankcushions

@mitu said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:

@dankcushions I seem to remember also something like this - maybe it was this topic ?

yes, that's it - thanks! specifically: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1409794#p1409794

Everything we have done so far has evolved the original design. I know the specs of the Pi4. It's not an evolution, it's a revolution and a HUGE step up.

Brunnis

@dankcushions Ahh, yes, I remember seeing this. I forgot to mention it in my first post, but that’s one of the reasons I said Upton may be trolling us. It’s interesting that it’s mentioned to be a revolution. I have always expected that, but many people still seem to believe that the Pi 4 will just be a slightly higher clocked A53 based design, maybe with more cores. I’d say that there’s a very high probability of them going with another symmetrical four core design, with conservatively clocked high-performance cores. I definitely expect them to try to lower the power consumption as well.

Clyde

@BuZz said in No Raspberry Pi 4 in 2019.:

He got a 2 day ban for making it personal. As said - read the whole thread.

Just a friendly reminder: That was 4 days ago and he still appears to be banned. :)

BuZz

@Clyde not sure. It says the ban is temporary. Maybe he has to log in to disable it and he hasnt. I can manually remove but I suspect that's the case.

Clyde

@BuZz A okay, just noticed it by accident. :)

Riverstorm

That went from 0 to 60 faster than a Rimac C_Two. It's sure easy to do. Maybe it was just a bad day.

It seems store bought emulation is a far more enticing prospect than building from scratch from the popularity of all the "mini" consoles being sold by the millions.

Some interesting numbers from the foundation as of December 2018 and the emulation scene didn't even get a honorable mention. I think it would be interesting to see actual numbers but from poking around it sure looks like emulation is a smaller percentage in the big Pi picture as an educational board.

A lot happened in 2018, the Raspberry Pi folks has some interesting stats, marketshare / units and more.

23 million + Raspberry Pi computers sold.
250,000+ young people engaging with our clubs, competitions, and programmes every week.
Tens of thousands of young people learning digital skills through our partnerships with the Scouts, the National Citizen Service, and the European Space Agency.
30,000 + volunteers mobilised.
50,000+ teachers and volunteers have taken part in our online courses.
Over 1 million projects completed on our new projects site.

cyperghost

@Riverstorm That are interesting numbers and yes the Pie is a huge educational platform.

Haha ;) Maybe @BuZz can show other stats.
How many users registered each year (from 2016-2018)
How many posts were done during the years and so on ... I think the whole forum will not outstand the educational factor the foundation gives.

@cyperghost

The Pie is a great multi-purpose mashine!

Yes it is