Old Computer Appreciation Thread

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 14:02

@zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly So you did find a fix.
Sounds like I'll have to get the standalone version.
I'm pretty sure it was available on Pi 3, I wonder why it's gone now?

I added an issue on github about Quasi88.
The answer was :

The standalone emulator doesn't work well on the Pi4 - that's why it is disabled on KMS platforms.

So thats the reason.

Still busy with the docs.......
Can take a long time to get all the comments from the "push request" resolved.
Getting around in Github with this sort of thing is not an easy task, I know now.
But it's quite a good learning experience.

AdamBeGood · 24 Nov 2020, 14:13

@folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@adambegood said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly Good news on Refight, I'll try that today once I've sorted out Quasi88 not being anywhere near full screen. It is just in the top left corner at the moment.

Temporary removing the kanji roms you get the menu in english.
select screen -> select double (-full)
select save.cfg -> make "blue"
exit emulator
put back you kanji roms.
start again
Use NUM keys for moving.

I think that will do the trick.
(at least I'm running in full screen)

adding -full to the quasi88 commandline in emulators.cfg could also be an option.

Hmm, I've tried all the options now and I've tried the commandline also.

-double
-full
-fullscreen

The best is double - it is bigger that way but it doesn't centre. I've tried lots of RunCommand screen sizes also, but nothing makes a difference. It's bearable but annoying.

Have you guys tried Melt Down by the same Doujin group? That doesn't control for me.

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 15:01

@adambegood said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

The best is double - it is bigger that way but it doesn't centre. I've tried lots of RunCommand screen sizes also, but nothing makes a difference. It's bearable but annoying.

Quasi88:
Much off centre ?
Mine is a little bit.
But as said : it seems not to work perfectly.
Thought it's nice to fool around with it, and learn some N88 basic.
Basic is almost like the MSX one. We can use the "files" command.
the F* keys. etc...

Have you guys tried Melt Down by the same Doujin group? That doesn't control for me.

lr-quasi88:
Use the keyboard "A key" or the "joystick Y button" for shooting.
After shooting, the screen does sometimes a refresh, then you can play (move).
Use 4Mhz.

AdamBeGood · 24 Nov 2020, 15:13

@folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@adambegood said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

The best is double - it is bigger that way but it doesn't centre. I've tried lots of RunCommand screen sizes also, but nothing makes a difference. It's bearable but annoying.

Much off centre ?
Mine is a little bit.
But as said : it seems not to work perfectly.
Thought it's nice to fool around with it, and learn some N88 basic.
Basic is almost like the MSX one. We can use the "files" command.
the F* keys. etc...

Have you guys tried Melt Down by the same Doujin group? That doesn't control for me.

Use the keyboard "A key" or the "joystick Y button" for shooting.
After shooting, the screen does sometimes a refresh, then you can play (move).
Use 4Mhz.

I think it is fairly off centre.. maybe it is the same as yours....

But can you move around in Melt Down before you shoot? Or do you have to shoot and then you can move? I'll try that again later.

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 15:21

@adambegood said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

I think it is fairly off centre.. maybe it is the same as yours....

Quasi88:
Tested from the terminal, I always run from the Desktop.
Had to go to the settings again.
With only double I have black borders left and right (seems perfectly centered)
With double + fullscreen, I have no black borders and the screen seems to be a bit bigger (left an right) than my monitor but is centered quite good.
I use a normal wide screen vga monitor with a cheap hdmi to vga converter.
Maybe thats why I have a good screen. Or my monitor does auto centering.
I don't actually know.

But can you move around in Melt Down before you shoot? Or do you have to shoot and then you can move? I'll try that again later.

lr-quasi88:
Shoot first, otherwise you can't move !

AdamBeGood · 24 Nov 2020, 16:08

@folly Ah well, I guess I will just have to deal with it. There was some issue like this on DosBox before I changed something in the config file.

Mine is definitely not like yours, it is very off centre really. I am annoyed it didn't work when I changed the RunCommand screen size.

Melt Down works on lr-quasi88, you are right. I was just trying all the movement options, left off the fire button... I think in quasi88, the fire button doesn't work either. So I tried that there, and then didn't bother trying it in lr-quasi88.

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 16:11

@adambegood said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly Ah well, I guess I will just have to deal with it. There was some issue like this on DosBox before I changed something in the config file.

Did you ever experiment with lr-dosbox ?

I did, and it seems to work quite good, you know.
Just run .exe or make .bat files. and run this. just like a .cmd or .m3u

Zering · 24 Nov 2020, 16:13

@folly I was actually wondering how to use lr-dosbox, since you can't easily use DOS launching games seems quite haphazard.

AdamBeGood · 24 Nov 2020, 16:17

@folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@adambegood said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly Ah well, I guess I will just have to deal with it. There was some issue like this on DosBox before I changed something in the config file.

Did you ever experiment with lr-dosbox ?

I did, and it seems to work quite good, you know.
Just run .exe or make .bat files. and run this. just like a .cmd or .m3u

I've always been able to do what I wanted with dosbox, so didn't feel the need to try the libretro version.

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 16:20

@zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly I was actually wondering how to use lr-dosbox, since you can't easily use DOS launching games seems quite haphazard.

lr-dosbox :
Here I have an example of Lemming 3 :

This is in directory 3D Lemmings Winterland (1995) (eXoDOS) :
lemmi3d -> containing the hd files (no images)
lm3d.cd ->directory containing just 2 nessesary files (no images)
lemmi3d.BAT
setup.BAT

lemmi3d.BAT :

 mount D LM3D.CD
cd lemmi3d
L3D

setup.BAT:

 mount D LM3D.CD
cd lemmi3d
SETUP

Zering · 24 Nov 2020, 16:26

@folly So then you select the .bat files in ES and the game runs?

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 16:27

@zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly So then you select the .bat files in ES and the game runs?

Yes.

Above example is not the best.
I have a better one.

Zering · 24 Nov 2020, 16:30

@folly If anything I'd be more interested in something like System Shock, which uses a CD.

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 16:32

lr-dosbox:
file structure :

RAYMAN.BAT
cd/RAYMAN.bin
cd/RAYMAN.cue
RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

RAYMAN.BAT:

@echo off
imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
C:
cd C:\RAYMAN
rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN

Zering · 24 Nov 2020, 16:35

@folly Are your bin and cue in a separate directory inside the main folder in this instance?

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 16:36

@zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly Are your bin and cue in a separate directory inside the main folder in this instance?

Yes
And hd files are also in a seperate RAYMAN directory.

Zering · 24 Nov 2020, 16:39

@folly So essentially you're putting the commands in the .bat file you'd normally input into DOS?

So if I created a blood.bat file it would be :

cd blood
blood.exe

Right?

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 16:43

@zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly So essentially you're putting the commands in the .bat file you'd normally input into DOS?

So if I created a blood.bat file it would be :

cd blood
blood.exe

Right?

Yes that should work.
You can remove .exe

Zering · 24 Nov 2020, 16:46

@folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

lr-dosbox:
file structure :

RAYMAN.BAT
cd/RAYMAN.bin
cd/RAYMAN.cue
RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

RAYMAN.BAT:
@echo off
imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
C:
cd C:\RAYMAN
rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN

So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
Imgmount is mounting the CD image.
C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?
I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

Folly · 24 Nov 2020, 16:50

@zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

@folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:
lr-dosbox:
file structure :

RAYMAN.BAT
cd/RAYMAN.bin
cd/RAYMAN.cue
RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

RAYMAN.BAT:
@echo off
imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
C:
cd C:\RAYMAN
rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN
So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
Imgmount is mounting the CD image.

Yep

C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?

Yep (EDIT: tip from adambegood -> not necessary in this example)

I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

"echo off" -> you don't see the commands while loading (not necessary)
"save=" -> game specific, I think