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      Folly @Zering
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      @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

      @folly So essentially you're putting the commands in the .bat file you'd normally input into DOS?

      So if I created a blood.bat file it would be :

      cd blood
      blood.exe

      Right?

      Yes that should work.
      You can remove .exe

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        Zering @Folly
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        @folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

        lr-dosbox:
        file structure :

        RAYMAN.BAT
        cd/RAYMAN.bin
        cd/RAYMAN.cue
        RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

        RAYMAN.BAT:

        @echo off
        imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
        C:
        cd C:\RAYMAN
        rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN
        

        So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
        Imgmount is mounting the CD image.
        C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?
        I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

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          Folly @Zering
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          @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

          @folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

          lr-dosbox:
          file structure :

          RAYMAN.BAT
          cd/RAYMAN.bin
          cd/RAYMAN.cue
          RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

          RAYMAN.BAT:

          @echo off
          imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
          C:
          cd C:\RAYMAN
          rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN
          

          So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
          Imgmount is mounting the CD image.

          Yep

          C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?

          Yep (EDIT: tip from adambegood -> not necessary in this example)

          I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

          "echo off" -> you don't see the commands while loading (not necessary)
          "save=" -> game specific, I think

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            Folly
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            @Zering

            I also run Philips P2000 on lr-dosbox :
            https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/7271/philips-p2000/3

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              Zering @Folly
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              @folly I did not even know the P2000 existed.
              You keep giving me things to tinker with! ^^

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                Folly @Zering
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                @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                @folly I did not even know the P2000 existed.
                You keep giving me things to tinker with! ^^

                Cool, isn't it ?

                Seems that cas support is now added in lr-mess for Philips P2000.
                So I have to try.
                But I think display is still monochrome.

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                  AdamBeGood @Zering
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                  @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                  @folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                  lr-dosbox:
                  file structure :

                  RAYMAN.BAT
                  cd/RAYMAN.bin
                  cd/RAYMAN.cue
                  RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

                  RAYMAN.BAT:

                  @echo off
                  imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
                  C:
                  cd C:\RAYMAN
                  rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN
                  

                  So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
                  Imgmount is mounting the CD image.
                  C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?
                  I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

                  DOSBOX mounts /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/pc as the C:\ drive by default.

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                    Folly
                    last edited by Folly

                    Dosbox (standalone):
                    This is also a nice example on how to run, for example, Philips P2000 with a game :

                    Lazy-Bugs.sh :

                    #!/bin/bash
                    /opt/retropie/emulators/dosbox/bin/dosbox -fullscreen -scaler normal3x -c "@echo off" -c "mount c: ~/RetroPie/roms/EmuOnDos/Philips_P2000T" -c "cls" -c "c:" -c "m2000 -verbose 0 -boot 1 -tape games/Lazy-Bug.cas" -c "exit"
                    

                    Batch (.bat) commands are integrated in the .sh script with [-c "etc...."].

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                      AdamBeGood @Zering
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                      @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                      @folly I did not even know the P2000 existed.
                      You keep giving me things to tinker with! ^^

                      It's so retro! Proper old school. I've never heard of it before either.

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                        Folly @AdamBeGood
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                        @adambegood said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                        @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                        @folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                        lr-dosbox:
                        file structure :

                        RAYMAN.BAT
                        cd/RAYMAN.bin
                        cd/RAYMAN.cue
                        RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

                        RAYMAN.BAT:

                        @echo off
                        imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
                        C:
                        cd C:\RAYMAN
                        rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN
                        

                        So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
                        Imgmount is mounting the CD image.
                        C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?
                        I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

                        DOSBOX mounts /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/pc as the C:\ drive by default.

                        Indeed your right :

                        C:
                        

                        Not necessary.

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                          Folly
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                          Some P2000 screenshots ;-)

                          2020-11-24-182636_800x600_scrot-resized.png 2020-11-24-182734_800x600_scrot-resized.png

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                            Zering @Folly
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                            @folly So I think we all agree about covering every manner of old computers on this thread then? ^^

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                              Folly @Zering
                              last edited by Folly

                              @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                              @folly So I think we all agree about covering every manner of old computers on this thread then? ^^

                              Yes, we can.

                              Are you going to convert the thread name ?

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                                Zering @Folly
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                                @folly Yes, and more than that. I've got some ideas, I just need time to do it ^^

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                                  Folly
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                                  @AdamBeGood @Zering

                                  Just made a post :
                                  https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/7271/philips-p2000/4
                                  Got the P2000T working in lr-mess:
                                  Too bad, still no cas file support.

                                  @dmmarti
                                  You've made some valerino scripts too, I read.
                                  Do you have an idea for this problem?

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                                    dmmarti @Folly
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                                    @folly Hmm...looks like that system still isn't setup for cassettes yet.

                                    Reading about it over on the progetto mess systems page, it's still not listed as having a -cass option.

                                    I launched my PC stand alone MAME (pretty recent version) and when I launch the P2000 system, pressing TAB to bring up the MAME GUI, I don't see any tape related devices to load a cassette into like I would expect to see.

                                    Not really sure how to load a cassette in it then.

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                                      Zering @dmmarti
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                                      Guys, I've began editing my first post to record all the info we've discussed in this thread. It's going to take me a while so bear with me. I might also write up a list of recommended games on each system based on everybody's input.

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                                        Folly @dmmarti
                                        last edited by

                                        @dmmarti said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

                                        @folly Hmm...looks like that system still isn't setup for cassettes yet.

                                        Reading about it over on the progetto mess systems page, it's still not listed as having a -cass option.

                                        I launched my PC stand alone MAME (pretty recent version) and when I launch the P2000 system, pressing TAB to bring up the MAME GUI, I don't see any tape related devices to load a cassette into like I would expect to see.

                                        Not really sure how to load a cassette in it then.

                                        Thank you for trying.
                                        Will look into into it later on.
                                        One day the solution will come for sure, I think ;-)

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                                          Folly @Zering
                                          last edited by

                                          @zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

                                          Guys, I've began editing my first post to record all the info we've discussed in this thread. It's going to take me a while so bear with me. I might also write up a list of recommended games on each system based on everybody's input.

                                          Good idea to summarize everything in the first post.
                                          Look quite good altready :-)

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                                            Zering @Folly
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                                            @folly Thanks. It's going to take a while. And I'll need to find some games to recommend for some of those more obscure systems ^^

                                            Edit : Tried running X1 through MESS again. Got unexpected results.

                                            I used Xanadu as an example as I'm mostly keen to try and get some multi-disk games started. The core starts but the game doesn't. I'm booted back to ES after a few seconds.

                                            The log is strange :

                                            log

                                            Here is the part I think is at the source of the issue :

                                            [libretro INFO] Starting game from command line:/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x1/xanadu.zip
                                            [libretro INFO] ARGUV[0]=/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x1/xanadu.zip
                                            [libretro WARN] Driver xanadu not found -1
                                            [libretro WARN] Game not found: xanadu
                                            [libretro INFO] Game name: x1, Game description: X1 (CZ-800C)
                                            [libretro INFO] Game name: x1, Game description: X1 (CZ-800C)
                                            [libretro INFO] System found: x1
                                            
                                            "xanadu" approximately matches the following
                                            supported software items (best match first):
                                            
                                            

                                            It's like lr-mess isn't finding the software at all. Yet when I look at my x1_flop hash :

                                            <software name="xanadu">
                                            		<description>Xanadu</description>
                                            		<year>1985</year>
                                            		<publisher>日本ファルコム (Nihon Falcom)</publisher>
                                            		<info name="release" value="198511xx"/>
                                            		<info name="alt_title" value="ザナドゥ"/>
                                            		<part name="flop1" interface="floppy_5_25">
                                            			<dataarea name="flop" size="415840">
                                            				<rom name="xanadu_a.d88" size="415840" crc="89ff1612" sha1="a1e9abfde29f169841a6e77267cf85f1a69475cd" offset="0" />
                                            			</dataarea>
                                            		</part>
                                            		<part name="flop2" interface="floppy_5_25">
                                            			<dataarea name="flop" size="415840">
                                            				<rom name="xanadu_b.d88" size="415840" crc="40bf59ac" sha1="3586dee49739d72ffe827435bf8fa3211d0b5cca" offset="0" />
                                            			</dataarea>
                                            		</part>
                                            		<part name="flop3" interface="floppy_5_25">
                                            			<dataarea name="flop" size="416384">
                                            				<rom name="xanadu_c(user).d88" size="416384" crc="e3d2cff7" sha1="bc2bb8b7a145462b5233e353f500d9be1f5397f8" offset="0" />
                                            			</dataarea>
                                            		</part>
                                            	</software>
                                            

                                            There are some notes at the beginning of the hash file concerning compatibility, but nothing about Xanadu.

                                            Games I haven't managed to start (possibly due to my mistakes):
                                            * zeliard: at the end of the intro it prints "read EMM address [00]" while waiting for something
                                            * suikoden, sangoku2, sangoku2a, nobuseng: sits to a jpn message waiting for who knows what
                                            * revolty2: waits for something to happen
                                            * reviver: waits for something to happen
                                            * mule, mulea: waits for something to happen
                                            * mugen2: waits for something to happen
                                            * lastarma: sits forever at the first intro screen
                                            * lagrange, dside: incomplete dump, needs system disc?
                                            * hajafuin: waits for something to happen
                                            * gatlabyr: how to start a game?
                                            * gambler2: how to pass the first menu?
                                            * crimson, crimsona: which disk combination is expected?
                                            * blassty: stuck at no animation menu
                                            
                                            Games with possible issues (either in emulation or in dump):
                                            * wizardry->4: can't add character name. also how to create a duplicate disk (in pc8801 they were in the disk set)?
                                            * profmj: true 400 lines mode not implemented?
                                            * mightmag: corrupted chars
                                            * lizard: waits for something to happen
                                            * hydlide2b has no saved data, while hydlide2 &amp; hydlide2a have characters in them
                                            * hydlide3b: fails to see the user disk + the set contains at least 1 hydlide disk (check crc16)
                                            * gruppe: starts loading then errors out as if the disk is not recognized
                                            * gradiusk: is this supposed to do something?
                                            * frontlin: input issue?
                                            * dione: does not display text correctly
                                            * blckonyx: is it missing a data disk?
                                            * bastard: does not start. input issue?
                                            * arcus: black screen after wolfteam logo
                                            * aokiooka: glitches (chars cut in half)
                                            * alpha: is the title screen correct or is it glitched (I'd bet the latter)?
                                            * advfant: glitches
                                            * ys: character sprite is glitched until you enter a new area
                                            
                                            Games which start loading but never reach the program:
                                            * vipc
                                            * vipd
                                            * turbobas (but not the clone turbobasa)
                                            * turbzbas
                                            * scruiser
                                            * psyoblad
                                            * powermj
                                            * kingkngt
                                            * jesus
                                            * jesusd
                                            * hydlide3, hydlide3a (invalid disks 2?)
                                            * aztec
                                            * ys3
                                            
                                            Games which are completely not recognized (maybe not for x1?)
                                            * unk_fl1
                                            * srdemo
                                            * robowres
                                            * punchbal
                                            * manilove
                                            * fmdata
                                            

                                            This thing has me stumped. Maybe one of you computer whizzes can figure it out.

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