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      Folly @Zering
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      @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

      @folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

      lr-dosbox:
      file structure :

      RAYMAN.BAT
      cd/RAYMAN.bin
      cd/RAYMAN.cue
      RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

      RAYMAN.BAT:

      @echo off
imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
C:
cd C:\RAYMAN
rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN

      So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
      Imgmount is mounting the CD image.

      Yep

      C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?

      Yep (EDIT: tip from adambegood -> not necessary in this example)

      I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

      "echo off" -> you don't see the commands while loading (not necessary)
      "save=" -> game specific, I think

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        Folly
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        @Zering

        I also run Philips P2000 on lr-dosbox :
        https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/7271/philips-p2000/3

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          Zering @Folly
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          @folly I did not even know the P2000 existed.
          You keep giving me things to tinker with! ^^

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            Folly @Zering
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            @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

            @folly I did not even know the P2000 existed.
            You keep giving me things to tinker with! ^^

            Cool, isn't it ?

            Seems that cas support is now added in lr-mess for Philips P2000.
            So I have to try.
            But I think display is still monochrome.

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              AdamBeGood @Zering
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              @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

              @folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

              lr-dosbox:
              file structure :

              RAYMAN.BAT
              cd/RAYMAN.bin
              cd/RAYMAN.cue
              RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

              RAYMAN.BAT:

              @echo off
imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
C:
cd C:\RAYMAN
rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN

              So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
              Imgmount is mounting the CD image.
              C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?
              I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

              DOSBOX mounts /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/pc as the C:\ drive by default.

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                Folly
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                Dosbox (standalone):
                This is also a nice example on how to run, for example, Philips P2000 with a game :

                Lazy-Bugs.sh :

                #!/bin/bash
/opt/retropie/emulators/dosbox/bin/dosbox -fullscreen -scaler normal3x -c "@echo off" -c "mount c: ~/RetroPie/roms/EmuOnDos/Philips_P2000T" -c "cls" -c "c:" -c "m2000 -verbose 0 -boot 1 -tape games/Lazy-Bug.cas" -c "exit"

                Batch (.bat) commands are integrated in the .sh script with [-c "etc...."].

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                  AdamBeGood @Zering
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                  @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                  @folly I did not even know the P2000 existed.
                  You keep giving me things to tinker with! ^^

                  It's so retro! Proper old school. I've never heard of it before either.

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                    Folly @AdamBeGood
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                    @adambegood said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                    @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                    @folly said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                    lr-dosbox:
                    file structure :

                    RAYMAN.BAT
                    cd/RAYMAN.bin
                    cd/RAYMAN.cue
                    RAYMAN/<harddrive files>(no image file)

                    RAYMAN.BAT:

                    @echo off
imgmount D cd/RAYMAN.cue -t iso
C:
cd C:\RAYMAN
rayman.exe save=C:\RAYMAN

                    So I'm trying to figure out what's going on here.
                    Imgmount is mounting the CD image.
                    C: is indicating to DOS where to look for RAYMAN?
                    I can't tell what echo off and save=C:\RAYMAN are meant to do.

                    DOSBOX mounts /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/pc as the C:\ drive by default.

                    Indeed your right :

                    C:

                    Not necessary.

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                      Folly
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                      Some P2000 screenshots ;-)

                      2020-11-24-182636_800x600_scrot-resized.png 2020-11-24-182734_800x600_scrot-resized.png

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                        Zering @Folly
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                        @folly So I think we all agree about covering every manner of old computers on this thread then? ^^

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                          Folly @Zering
                          last edited by Folly

                          @zering said in Old Japanese Computer Appreciation Thread:

                          @folly So I think we all agree about covering every manner of old computers on this thread then? ^^

                          Yes, we can.

                          Are you going to convert the thread name ?

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                            Zering @Folly
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                            @folly Yes, and more than that. I've got some ideas, I just need time to do it ^^

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                              Folly
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                              @AdamBeGood @Zering

                              Just made a post :
                              https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/7271/philips-p2000/4
                              Got the P2000T working in lr-mess:
                              Too bad, still no cas file support.

                              @dmmarti
                              You've made some valerino scripts too, I read.
                              Do you have an idea for this problem?

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                                dmmarti @Folly
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                                @folly Hmm...looks like that system still isn't setup for cassettes yet.

                                Reading about it over on the progetto mess systems page, it's still not listed as having a -cass option.

                                I launched my PC stand alone MAME (pretty recent version) and when I launch the P2000 system, pressing TAB to bring up the MAME GUI, I don't see any tape related devices to load a cassette into like I would expect to see.

                                Not really sure how to load a cassette in it then.

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                                  Zering @dmmarti
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                                  Guys, I've began editing my first post to record all the info we've discussed in this thread. It's going to take me a while so bear with me. I might also write up a list of recommended games on each system based on everybody's input.

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                                    Folly @dmmarti
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                                    @dmmarti said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

                                    @folly Hmm...looks like that system still isn't setup for cassettes yet.

                                    Reading about it over on the progetto mess systems page, it's still not listed as having a -cass option.

                                    I launched my PC stand alone MAME (pretty recent version) and when I launch the P2000 system, pressing TAB to bring up the MAME GUI, I don't see any tape related devices to load a cassette into like I would expect to see.

                                    Not really sure how to load a cassette in it then.

                                    Thank you for trying.
                                    Will look into into it later on.
                                    One day the solution will come for sure, I think ;-)

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                                      Folly @Zering
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                                      @zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

                                      Guys, I've began editing my first post to record all the info we've discussed in this thread. It's going to take me a while so bear with me. I might also write up a list of recommended games on each system based on everybody's input.

                                      Good idea to summarize everything in the first post.
                                      Look quite good altready :-)

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                                        Zering @Folly
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                                        @folly Thanks. It's going to take a while. And I'll need to find some games to recommend for some of those more obscure systems ^^

                                        Edit : Tried running X1 through MESS again. Got unexpected results.

                                        I used Xanadu as an example as I'm mostly keen to try and get some multi-disk games started. The core starts but the game doesn't. I'm booted back to ES after a few seconds.

                                        The log is strange :

                                        log

                                        Here is the part I think is at the source of the issue :

                                        [libretro INFO] Starting game from command line:/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x1/xanadu.zip
[libretro INFO] ARGUV[0]=/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/x1/xanadu.zip
[libretro WARN] Driver xanadu not found -1
[libretro WARN] Game not found: xanadu
[libretro INFO] Game name: x1, Game description: X1 (CZ-800C)
[libretro INFO] Game name: x1, Game description: X1 (CZ-800C)
[libretro INFO] System found: x1

"xanadu" approximately matches the following
supported software items (best match first):

                                        It's like lr-mess isn't finding the software at all. Yet when I look at my x1_flop hash :

                                        <software name="xanadu">
		<description>Xanadu</description>
		<year>1985</year>
		<publisher>日本ファルコム (Nihon Falcom)</publisher>
		<info name="release" value="198511xx"/>
		<info name="alt_title" value="ザナドゥ"/>
		<part name="flop1" interface="floppy_5_25">
			<dataarea name="flop" size="415840">
				<rom name="xanadu_a.d88" size="415840" crc="89ff1612" sha1="a1e9abfde29f169841a6e77267cf85f1a69475cd" offset="0" />
			</dataarea>
		</part>
		<part name="flop2" interface="floppy_5_25">
			<dataarea name="flop" size="415840">
				<rom name="xanadu_b.d88" size="415840" crc="40bf59ac" sha1="3586dee49739d72ffe827435bf8fa3211d0b5cca" offset="0" />
			</dataarea>
		</part>
		<part name="flop3" interface="floppy_5_25">
			<dataarea name="flop" size="416384">
				<rom name="xanadu_c(user).d88" size="416384" crc="e3d2cff7" sha1="bc2bb8b7a145462b5233e353f500d9be1f5397f8" offset="0" />
			</dataarea>
		</part>
	</software>

                                        There are some notes at the beginning of the hash file concerning compatibility, but nothing about Xanadu.

                                        Games I haven't managed to start (possibly due to my mistakes):
* zeliard: at the end of the intro it prints "read EMM address [00]" while waiting for something
* suikoden, sangoku2, sangoku2a, nobuseng: sits to a jpn message waiting for who knows what
* revolty2: waits for something to happen
* reviver: waits for something to happen
* mule, mulea: waits for something to happen
* mugen2: waits for something to happen
* lastarma: sits forever at the first intro screen
* lagrange, dside: incomplete dump, needs system disc?
* hajafuin: waits for something to happen
* gatlabyr: how to start a game?
* gambler2: how to pass the first menu?
* crimson, crimsona: which disk combination is expected?
* blassty: stuck at no animation menu

Games with possible issues (either in emulation or in dump):
* wizardry->4: can't add character name. also how to create a duplicate disk (in pc8801 they were in the disk set)?
* profmj: true 400 lines mode not implemented?
* mightmag: corrupted chars
* lizard: waits for something to happen
* hydlide2b has no saved data, while hydlide2 &amp; hydlide2a have characters in them
* hydlide3b: fails to see the user disk + the set contains at least 1 hydlide disk (check crc16)
* gruppe: starts loading then errors out as if the disk is not recognized
* gradiusk: is this supposed to do something?
* frontlin: input issue?
* dione: does not display text correctly
* blckonyx: is it missing a data disk?
* bastard: does not start. input issue?
* arcus: black screen after wolfteam logo
* aokiooka: glitches (chars cut in half)
* alpha: is the title screen correct or is it glitched (I'd bet the latter)?
* advfant: glitches
* ys: character sprite is glitched until you enter a new area

Games which start loading but never reach the program:
* vipc
* vipd
* turbobas (but not the clone turbobasa)
* turbzbas
* scruiser
* psyoblad
* powermj
* kingkngt
* jesus
* jesusd
* hydlide3, hydlide3a (invalid disks 2?)
* aztec
* ys3

Games which are completely not recognized (maybe not for x1?)
* unk_fl1
* srdemo
* robowres
* punchbal
* manilove
* fmdata

                                        This thing has me stumped. Maybe one of you computer whizzes can figure it out.

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                                          AdamBeGood @Zering
                                          last edited by

                                          @zering said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

                                          Guys, I've began editing my first post to record all the info we've discussed in this thread. It's going to take me a while so bear with me. I might also write up a list of recommended games on each system based on everybody's input.

                                          It's great work, Zering! I'll have another read through tomorrow but didn't notice any errors going through, until the end where you said "two button keyboard", when you probably mean joypad. :p Also you put a space in "an other" right at the end, but I imagine you were tired by then! Superb stuff.

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                                            Zering @AdamBeGood
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                                            @adambegood Corrected. Thanks!

                                            Following @Folly's instructions from earlier, I managed to get a few DOS CD games running. Dark Forces runs a treat. The control scheme is a bit antique but I think I'm going to play it. System Shock doesn't run too great, the opening logos are in the single frames and while the game itself is a lot faster there's quite a bit of stuttering and choppiness.

                                            Has anybody managed to play Fallout on the Pi? I can't think of a single reason why it shouldn't run, but I can't get it to boot properly.

                                            I do :

                                            cd fallout1
imgmount D cd/fallout.cue -t iso
fallout.exe

                                            Then the loading screen appears (it's very sluggish), and after a few seconds it kicks me back to DOS.
                                            If anybody's keen on trying it I'd be curious to hear the results.

                                            Edit :

                                            Figured it out!

                                            In opt/retropie/configs/pc, edit dosbox_SVN.conf, and bring the memsize up to 32.

                                            From C:

                                            cd fallout1

imgmount D cd/fallout.cue -t iso

D:

dir

install.exe

                                            Humongous installation
                                            Destination folder : INTRPLAY/FALLOUT (This folder will be created in home/pi/RetroPie/roms/pc)

                                            Choose automatic sound installation, say yes to everything

                                            Then

                                            C:
cd INTRPLAY
cd FALLOUT
Fallout

                                            The logos and opening menus are a bit slow but the game seems to run full speed for the most part. I've seen some stuttering here and there but nothing bad.

                                            Edit 2 : And for Daggerfall, in case anybody did not know :

                                            (If DFCD is not inside the dagger directory then adapt the commands)

                                            mount D /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/pc/dagger/DFCD

D:

dir

install.exe

                                            Choose the biggest installation (we'll use C:tes2 as an installation directory), then use autodetect for your sound setup, choose a Sound Blaster as a MIDI device.

                                            From there Daggerfall is a pain. If you just cd to tes2 and launch dagger.exe it asks for the CD. So...

                                            mount d /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/pc/DFCD -t cdrom -label Daggerfall

C:

cd tes2

dagger

                                            And it runs beautifully. It's kind of like playing a RPG in Doom's clothing actually.

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