Old Computer Appreciation Thread

TPR

@Folly Thank you! That gives me more to look into! Also, how can I set it so I can see more of the log to see what is causing it to break? I do think my BIOS files are correct and I will look at the checksum of the Pitfall game but I'm pretty sure it is the same.

Also, where on the Pi is that MAME config stored so I can look to see if something has changed?

TPR

@Folly This is what MAME Currently says when I load up a .dsk file. Although I cannot see it when I load a .ddp file as I cannot get them to load:

Pac-Man Screen Shot 1-30-23, 11.59 AM.png

Pac-Man Screen Shot 1-30-23, 11.59 AM 2.png

I'm just really baffled as to why all my .ddp files worked before and now they do not. I really do not know what could have changed and I've exhausted all my knowledge trying to figure it out!

Also, here is the checksum from my adam_ddp.zip BIOS that I am using:
9405e8f37199841244222fa70f9db3d3

Does it match yours?

Folly

@TPR said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

Also, here is the checksum from my adam_ddp.zip BIOS that I am using:
9405e8f37199841244222fa70f9db3d3

I have to look !
I have a .7z file so the sha1sum is different but files inside could be the same.

Indeed strange that it worked before.

Folly

@TPR

I have it working now in mame and lr-mess and also with lr-mess running from the run_mess.sh script.

I assumed .ddp was a floppy image but it turns out DDP's ( Digital Data Pack ) are cassettes.

This is the output of the extensions of mame :

pi@raspberrypi:~ $ /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -listmedia adam
SYSTEM           MEDIA NAME       (brief)    IMAGE FILE EXTENSIONS SUPPORTED
---------------- --------------------------- -------------------------------
adam             cassette1        (cass1)    .wav  .ddp  
adam             cassette2        (cass2)    .wav  .ddp  
adam             floppydisk1      (flop1)    .mfi  .dfi  .hfe  .mfm  .td0  .imd  .d77  .d88  .1dd  .cqm  .cqi  .dsk  
adam             floppydisk2      (flop2)    .mfi  .dfi  .hfe  .mfm  .td0  .imd  .d77  .d88  .1dd  .cqm  .cqi  .dsk  
adam             cartridge1       (cart1)    .rom  .col  .bin  
adam             cartridge2       (cart2)    .bin  .rom  
adam             cartridge3       (cart3)    .bin  .rom  
adam             cartridge4       (cart4)    .bin  .rom

TPR

@Folly Same for me. So I wonder what could be causing it not to work?

Is there another log somewhere I could check?

Folly

@TPR

Same for me

Looked at your first log again.
I see you already used cass1 and it didn't work.

Did you use the valerino module-scripts to install ?
Are you able to run it with mame ?
What run_mess.sh do you use ? ( what is the sha1sum ? )
Which version of lr-mess do you use ?

TPR

@Folly Here's my run_mess script I'm using:

My version of lr-mess is dated 2/24/2021 with a filesize of 182,836,700

Is there another log I can check to see why those .ddp files stop and kick me back out to ES?

duglor

@TPR What is the last version date of either Mess or MAME that the game & Watch games use? Just curious. and if it is mame, that mame is called plain old "MAME" in the retropie , correct

Folly

@TPR said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

Your run_mess.sh script is the original from valerino.
I use the updated one of RusselB with these changes.
Though I think it's probably not related to the run_mess.sh script.

Is there another log I can check to see why those .ddp files stop and kick me back out to ES?

Yes, for a better log it's best to run it with mame standalone.
This is an adapted runcommand for mame standalone (for you):

mame-adam-cass1 = "/opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS\;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/adam -cfg_directory /opt/retropie/configs/adam/mame -v -c -ui_active adam  -cass1 %ROM%"

You can just paste it in your emulators.cfg of /opt/retropie/configs/adam (at least I assume it is there )
Verbose mode (-v) is always on, so no need to change it when booting the .ddp)
Make sure you have mame standalone installed from the exp packages.

Let me know what your log gives.

P.s. You may remove the run_mess.sh from your previous post.

TPR

@Folly I do have stand-alone MAME installed.

I used that runcommand...

It loaded up to "initializing" and then booted me back to ES.

Where can I find the MAME log file at? I can't seem to find it in any of the more obvious places in my directories.

Here is what my runcommand log file says:

Parameters: 
Executing: /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS\;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/adam -cfg_directory /opt/retropie/configs/adam/mame -v -c -ui_active adam  -cass1 "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/adam/Alcazar (1986) (Telegames USA) (ADE-SD DDP Patched).ddp"
Attempting load of mame.ini
Parsing mame.ini
Attempting load of mame.ini
Parsing mame.ini
Attempting load of horizont.ini
Attempting load of computer.ini
Attempting load of raster.ini
Attempting load of source/adam.ini
Attempting load of adam.ini
Reading translation file English: 1 strings, original table at word offset 7, translated table at word offset 9
Loaded 0 translations from file English
Starting plugin data...
Starting plugin hiscore...
Attempting load of mame.ini
Parsing mame.ini
Attempting load of mame.ini
Parsing mame.ini
Attempting load of horizont.ini
Attempting load of computer.ini
Attempting load of raster.ini
Attempting load of source/adam.ini
Attempting load of adam.ini
Available videodrivers: x11 KMSDRM RPI dummy 
Current Videodriver: KMSDRM
	Display #0
		Renderdrivers:
			    opengl (0x0)
			 opengles2 (0x0)
			  opengles (0x0)
			  software (0x0)
Available audio drivers: 
	alsa                
	sndio               
	dsp                 
	disk                
	dummy               
Build version:      0.224 (mame0224)
Build architecure:  
Build defines 1:    SDLMAME_UNIX=1 SDLMAME_X11=1 SDLMAME_LINUX=1 
Build defines 1:    LSB_FIRST=1 MAME_NOASM=1 
SDL/OpenGL defines: SDL_COMPILEDVERSION=2009 USE_OPENGL=1 
Compiler defines A: __GNUC__=8 __GNUC_MINOR__=3 __GNUC_PATCHLEVEL__=0 __VERSION__="8.3.0" 
Compiler defines B: __unix__=1 
Compiler defines C: __USE_FORTIFY_LEVEL=0 
Enter init_monitors
Adding monitor screen0 (1920 x 1080)
Leave init_monitors
Enter sdlwindow_init
Using SDL native texturing driver (SDL 2.0+)
Loaded opengl shared library: <default>

Hints:
	SDL_FRAMEBUFFER_ACCELERATION             (NULL)
	SDL_RENDER_DRIVER                        (NULL)
	SDL_RENDER_OPENGL_SHADERS                (NULL)
	SDL_RENDER_SCALE_QUALITY                 (NULL)
	SDL_RENDER_VSYNC                         (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_X11_XVIDMODE                   (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_X11_XINERAMA                   (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_X11_XRANDR                     (NULL)
	SDL_GRAB_KEYBOARD                        (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_MINIMIZE_ON_FOCUS_LOSS         (NULL)
	SDL_IOS_IDLE_TIMER_DISABLED              (NULL)
	SDL_IOS_ORIENTATIONS                     (NULL)
	SDL_XINPUT_ENABLED                       (NULL)
	SDL_GAMECONTROLLERCONFIG                 (NULL)
	SDL_JOYSTICK_ALLOW_BACKGROUND_EVENTS     (NULL)
	SDL_ALLOW_TOPMOST                        (NULL)
	SDL_TIMER_RESOLUTION                     (NULL)
	SDL_RENDER_DIRECT3D_THREADSAFE           (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_ALLOW_SCREENSAVER              (NULL)
	SDL_ACCELEROMETER_AS_JOYSTICK            (NULL)
	SDL_MAC_CTRL_CLICK_EMULATE_RIGHT_CLICK   (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_WIN_D3DCOMPILER                (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_WINDOW_SHARE_PIXEL_FORMAT      (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_MAC_FULLSCREEN_SPACES          (NULL)
	SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE_MODE_WARP             (NULL)
	SDL_RENDER_DIRECT3D11_DEBUG              (NULL)
	SDL_VIDEO_HIGHDPI_DISABLED               (NULL)
	SDL_WINRT_PRIVACY_POLICY_URL             (NULL)
	SDL_WINRT_PRIVACY_POLICY_LABEL           (NULL)
	SDL_WINRT_HANDLE_BACK_BUTTON             (NULL)
Leave sdlwindow_init
Enter sdl_info::create
Leave renderer_sdl2::create
window: using renderer opengl
renderer: flag SDL_RENDERER_ACCELERATED
renderer: flag SDL_RENDERER_TARGETTEXTURE
Audio: Start initialization
Audio: Driver is alsa
Audio: frequency: 44100, channels: 2, samples: 512
sdl_create_buffers: creating stream buffer of 22528 bytes
Audio: End initialization
Keyboard: Start initialization
Input: Adding keyboard #0: System keyboard (device id: System keyboard)
Keyboard: Registered System keyboard
Keyboard: End initialization
Mouse: Start initialization
Input: Adding mouse #0: System mouse (device id: System mouse)
Mouse: Registered System mouse
Mouse: End initialization
Joystick: Start initialization
Input: Adding joystick #0: MicrosoftX-Box360pad (device id: 030000005e0400008e02000020010000)
Joystick: Microsoft X-Box 360 pad [GUID 030000005e0400008e02000020010000]
Joystick:   ...  4 axes, 13 buttons 1 hats 0 balls
Joystick:   ...  Physical id 0 mapped to logical id 1
Joystick:   ...  Has haptic capability
Joystick: End initialization
Searching font Liberation Sans in -. path/s
font Liberation Sans|Regular is not TrueType or BDF, using MAME default
Region ':os7' created
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip ECD
unzip: /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip has no ZIP64 ECD locator
unzip: read /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip central directory
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip and sending to cache
Region ':boot' created
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip in cache
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip and sending to cache
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip in cache
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip and sending to cache
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip in cache
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip and sending to cache
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip in cache
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip and sending to cache
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip in cache
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip and sending to cache
Region ':u6' created
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip in cache
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam.zip and sending to cache
Region ':net1:kb:u2' created
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_kb.zip
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_kb.zip ECD
unzip: /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_kb.zip has no ZIP64 ECD locator
unzip: read /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_kb.zip central directory
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_kb.zip and sending to cache
Region ':net2:prn:u2' created
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_prn.zip
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_prn.zip ECD
unzip: /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_prn.zip has no ZIP64 ECD locator
unzip: read /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_prn.zip central directory
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_prn.zip and sending to cache
Region ':net3:ddp:m6801' created
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_ddp.zip
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_ddp.zip ECD
unzip: /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_ddp.zip has no ZIP64 ECD locator
unzip: read /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_ddp.zip central directory
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_ddp.zip and sending to cache
Region ':net4:fdc:u6' created
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_fdc.zip
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_fdc.zip ECD
unzip: /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_fdc.zip has no ZIP64 ECD locator
unzip: read /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_fdc.zip central directory
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_fdc.zip and sending to cache
Region ':net5:fdc:u6' created
unzip: found /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_fdc.zip in cache
unzip: opened archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_fdc.zip
unzip: closing archive file /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/adam_fdc.zip and sending to cache
wp_r80.rom ROM NEEDS REDUMP
WARNING: the machine might not run correctly.
Optional memory region ':screen' not found
Optional shared pointer ':slot1:adamlink:rom' not found
Optional shared pointer ':slot3:ram:ram' not found
Optional shared pointer ':slot3:ram:rom' not found
Starting Adam ':'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting Zilog Z80 ':u1'
Starting Motorola MC6801 ':u6'
Starting TMS9928A VDP ':tms9928a'
Starting Video Screen ':screen'
Starting Speaker ':mono'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting SN76489A ':u20'
Starting ADAMnet bus ':adamnet'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net1'
Starting Adam keyboard ':net1:kb'
Starting Motorola MC6801 ':net1:kb:u2'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net2'
Starting Adam printer ':net2:prn'
Starting Motorola MC6801 ':net2:prn:u2'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net3'
Starting Adam Digital Data Pack ':net3:ddp'
Starting Motorola MC6801 ':net3:ddp:m6801'
Starting Cassette ':net3:ddp:cassette'
Starting Cassette ':net3:ddp:cassette2'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net4'
Starting Adam FDC ':net4:fdc'
Starting Motorola MC6801 ':net4:fdc:u6'
Starting Western Digital WD2793 FDC ':net4:fdc:u11'
Starting Floppy drive connector abstraction ':net4:fdc:u11:0'
Starting 5.25" single-sided double density floppy drive ':net4:fdc:u11:0:525ssdd'
Starting Speaker ':net4:fdc:u11:0:525ssdd:flopsndout'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting Floppy sound ':net4:fdc:u11:0:525ssdd:floppysound'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net5'
Starting Adam FDC ':net5:fdc'
Starting Motorola MC6801 ':net5:fdc:u6'
Starting Western Digital WD2793 FDC ':net5:fdc:u11'
Starting Floppy drive connector abstraction ':net5:fdc:u11:0'
Starting 5.25" single-sided double density floppy drive ':net5:fdc:u11:0:525ssdd'
Starting Speaker ':net5:fdc:u11:0:525ssdd:flopsndout'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting Floppy sound ':net5:fdc:u11:0:525ssdd:floppysound'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net6'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net7'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net8'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net9'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net10'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net11'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net12'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net13'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net14'
Starting ADAMnet slot ':net15'
Starting ColecoVision cartridge port ':cartslot'
Starting ADAM expansion slot ':slot1'
Starting AdamLink modem ':slot1:adamlink'
Starting ADAM expansion slot ':slot2'
Starting ADAM expansion slot ':slot3'
Starting Adam 64KB RAM expansion ':slot3:ram'
Starting ColecoVision control port ':joy1'
Starting ColecoVision Hand Controller ':joy1:hand'
Starting ColecoVision control port ':joy2'
Starting RAM ':ram'
Starting Software List ':colec_cart_list'
Starting Software List ':adam_cart_list'
Starting Software List ':cass_list'
Starting Software List ':flop_list'
Starting Adam ':'
  (missing dependencies; rescheduling)
Starting Speaker ':mono'
Starting Speaker ':net4:fdc:u11:0:525ssdd:flopsndout'
Starting Speaker ':net5:fdc:u11:0:525ssdd:flopsndout'
Starting Adam ':'
Attempting to parse: default.cfg
Attempting to parse: adam.cfg
/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh: line 1313:  6446 Killed                  /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS\;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/adam -cfg_directory /opt/retropie/configs/adam/mame -v -c -ui_active adam -cass1 "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/adam/Alcazar (1986) (Telegames USA) (ADE-SD DDP Patched).ddp"

This is breaking my brani! lol I cannot figure out why it worked before, doesn't work now, but all my .dsk files still work.

Folly

@TPR said in Old Computer Appreciation Thread:

Where can I find the MAME log file at? I can't seem to find it in any of the more obvious places in my directories.
Here is what my runcommand log file says:

The runcommand.log is the mame log.

Sadly also not working, doesn't seem to be due to the bios files and the emulators.

Not sure either on what the problem could be, I will have to think again on what the problem could be.

I have just checked my log with yours and yours is missing a line like this :

:net3:ddp:cassette: opened image file /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/coleco/adam/ddp-cass/Pitfall! (1987) (Telegames USA) (ADE-SD DDP Patched).ddp with flags=00000003

So somehow it looks that the .ddp file isn't loaded.

Folly

@TPR

Can you try to run it directly from the CLI ?
(press F4 in emulationstation and you should get in the CLI)
And then try to manually load your rom with mame, with this command :

/opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS\;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/adam -cfg_directory /opt/retropie/configs/adam/mame -v -ui_active adam -cass1 "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/adam/Alcazar (1986) (Telegames USA) (ADE-SD DDP Patched).ddp"

mitu

@Folly Mame version ?

Folly

@mitu

Yes he uses an old version, but that should not matter.

@TPR
As @mitu suggests you could try to update the mame version and see if that makes a difference.

Anyway, if both suggestions don't work it will take too much time to figure out what the problem is.

I would then suggest that you make a whole new image with the latest retropie-setup and the latest emulators.
I would then recommend to use my project instead of using Valerino's module-scripts :
https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/29682/development-of-module-script-generator-for-lr-mess-lr-mame-and-mame-standalone

TPR

@Folly I'll try all this tonight. Thank you guys. And I think you might be right about having to scrap all my old MESS stuff and re-build with your newer one. I've just been reluctant to do that only because everything else seems to work, and you know what they say... if it ain't broke! lol

But now something broke!

I'll see what I can do!

Folly

@TPR

Any luck ?

TPR

@Folly @mitu So I have an update on this ADAM thing that I absolutely do not understand, and I'm hoping you guys could make some sense of it...

So I was testing out a new Retroflag case... popped a different Pi board into it... was testing some things... and all of a sudden I noticed... my DDP files are working!

WTF!?!?!

So I took my build out of that case, put it back into my other Pi board...

CRASHED! Back to ES again.

So now I had to further investigate...

Only things I have connected are my controller and hard drive that my ROMs are on.

Turns out, the board it keeps crashing on is a 1gb RAM board. I tested with all my other boards:

8gb board - Works.
4gb board - works
2gb board - works
1gb board - crashed
1gb board #2 - crashed (just to make sure)
1gb board #3 - Crashed (just to make REALLY sure!)

All the 1gb boards I have are newer... bought within the last year.

I have never heard of something not loading up with the 1gb board??? I mean, I'm full on running PSP games at amazing frame rates on the 1gb board but I can't get a Coleco ADAM game to run?

And why is it ONLY the .ddp data pack files?

Any idea how to fix this other than "don't use a 1gb board?" :P

Folly

@TPR

Very strange indeed.
Could it be the assigned memory in the /boot/config.txt ?

If I get a good idea about it I will post it to you.

TPR

@Folly Here is what is in my current config.txt

# For more options and information see
# http://rpf.io/configtxt
# Some settings may impact device functionality. See link above for details

# uncomment if you get no picture on HDMI for a default "safe" mode
#hdmi_safe=1

# uncomment this if your display has a black border of unused pixels visible
# and your display can output without overscan
disable_overscan=0

# uncomment the following to adjust overscan. Use positive numbers if console
# goes off screen, and negative if there is too much border
overscan_left=-50
overscan_right=-50
overscan_top=-35
overscan_bottom=-35

# uncomment to force a console size. By default it will be display's size minus
# overscan.
#framebuffer_width=1280
#framebuffer_height=720

# uncomment if hdmi display is not detected and composite is being output
hdmi_force_hotplug=1

# uncomment to force a specific HDMI mode (this will force VGA)
hdmi_group=1
hdmi_mode=16

# uncomment to force a HDMI mode rather than DVI. This can make audio work in
# DMT (computer monitor) modes
#hdmi_drive=2

# uncomment to increase signal to HDMI, if you have interference, blanking, or
# no display
#config_hdmi_boost=4

# uncomment for composite PAL
#sdtv_mode=2

#uncomment to overclock the arm. 700 MHz is the default.
#arm_freq=800

# Uncomment some or all of these to enable the optional hardware interfaces
#dtparam=i2c_arm=on
#dtparam=i2s=on
#dtparam=spi=on

# Uncomment this to enable infrared communication.
#dtoverlay=gpio-ir,gpio_pin=17
#dtoverlay=gpio-ir-tx,gpio_pin=18

# Additional overlays and parameters are documented /boot/overlays/README

# Enable audio (loads snd_bcm2835)
dtparam=audio=on

[pi4]
# Enable DRM VC4 V3D driver on top of the dispmanx display stack
dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d
max_framebuffers=2

[all]
#dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d
overscan_scale=1
dtoverlay=RetroFlag_pw_io.dtbo
enable_uart=1

Folly

@TPR

Looking at this doc, memory-split isn't used anymore by the pi4.
So that isn't something we can try and test.

If I have some time I will try adam on my pi3 which also has 1gb.
Perhaps that can give us an idea on where to look for the problem.