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    • duglorD
      duglor @DTEAM
      last edited by

      I'd like to play Bubsy in Atari Jaguar emulator Lr-Mess-Jaguar- Help. 2024

      Hello. I'd like to play Bubsy in Atari Jaguar Emulator. I have the game .j64 and the game zipped as bubsy.zip with that .j64 in it and a folder named bubsy as well with that .j64 in it. I'm trying to cover all bases here.
      
      Installed lr-Mess-Jaguar and have regular lr-Mess set for that directory along with the virtual jaguar emulator.
      
      I have a bios called jagboot.zip and jagboot.rom is my bios folder.
      
      Now....so far i have not been able to run the .j64, the .j64 in the bubsy folder, or the bubsy.zip with lr-mess-jaguar chosen as my emulator. It just kicks me out.
      
      Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
      
      p.s. btw, all my bubsy names in the folder are lower case.
      
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      • FollyF
        Folly @duglor
        last edited by Folly

        @duglor

        I am not going to talk about lr-virtualjaguar as that is an other topic

        For running bubsy in mame or lr-mess with my script you need to install jaguar from my script.
        Mame needs a bios called jaguar.zip (see in mame-merged) which needs to be in :
        ~/RetroPie/BIOS/mame
        Try to get the "original" bubsy.zip file from jaguar.zip (see in mame-sl).
        Always try with mame-standalone first to see if it works then you know the files are good.
        (If it doesn't the /dev/shm/runcommad.log is better to reed if mame standalone is used.)
        Then try lr-mess if it works.
        If it doesn't then you know it's probably an lr-mess issue.

        Good luck

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        • duglorD
          duglor @Folly
          last edited by

          @Folly Thanks!

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          • DTEAMD
            DTEAM @duglor
            last edited by DTEAM

            Hi @folly, do you think it's possible to use Vulkan on pi5 for MAME standalone?

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              shift
              last edited by shift

              Hi @Folly, I was testing the Jupiter Ace system (jupace) and I saw that to work correctly the "-ram 32k" parameter must be added, otherwise most of the roms don't work, I'm now using this command line:

              lr-mess-jupace-basename-32k = "/opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch --config /opt/retropie/configs/jupace/retroarch.cfg --appendconfig /opt/retropie/configs/jupace/retroarch.cfg.basename -S /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/jupace -s /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/jupace -v -L /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mamemess_libretro.so 'mame jupace -cfg_directory /opt/retropie/configs/jupace/lr-mess -c -ui_active -ram 32k -rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/jupace/  '%BASENAME%''"
              
              

              when you get to the prompt, a precise line must be typed for each game (up to the "." if there is one, the rest are the game controls), for convenience here are those of all the games reported as working:

              3dmaze		load 3dmaze 3dmaze
              avoider		load avoider run
              invader1	load GR load GR load GR load GM load GM load GM z p
              aceinvad	load graphics gr load run run
              amce11	
              acemines	load mines mines
              acestar		0 0 bload astar 16384 call
              acevader	load gr load acevaders gr r. Z = left, X = right, M = fire
              adventa		0 0 bload adva 16384 call
              aliendef	load defender g
              amazmaze	load maze g
              astrian		load Lander run
              aticraid	load atic go
              blackisl	load black island
              bomber		load bomber play
              breakout	load breakout b. Left = A, Right = L
              callisto	8930 0 bload callisto
              cavern		load graphics load run gr run. A = up, Z = down
              cenipede	load centipede go
              chase		load chase chase. Cursor keys to move
              chess		load chess run
              dodge		load Dodger game
              ducksht		11272 0 bload dchars load duckshoot d. Fire = Enter
              firebird	load FIREBIRD run
              surround	load surround go
              frogger		load frogger go
              fungle		load FU run
              gobbgook	load gobblegook gobblegook
              grexfrog	load graphics load run grf run
              guessing	load game game
              kkong		load CHARACTERS CHARACTERS load KONG run
              lightrac	load LightRacer run
              memstars	load run run
              meteor		load gr meteor load meteor game
              metracer	load GR load GR load GR load GM load GM z p
              meteors		load asteroids g
              micromaz	load graphics load run s run
              minefld		11272 0 bload mchars load minefield m
              othello		load othello 11272 0 bload pieces go
              owler		load owler loading
              quickdrw	load quick-draw go
              quickdrp	load Qdraw run
              robohnch	load robohench g
              robohunt	load robohunt g
              sailhorn	load hornpipe hornpipe
              sambombs	load sam g
              sokoace		load sokoace play
              sacemap		load sokoed ed
              sbattle		load graphics load run gr run. Fire = F
              startrek	load startrek g
              sudoku		load sudoku sudoku
              schess2		load chess run
              tankbatl	load tankbattle g
              tetris		load tetris tetris
              hanoi		load hanoi hanoi
              turbo		load turbo 0 0 bload track turbo. Left = 5, Right = 6
              zapem		11272 0 bload zchars load zapem z. Left = 6, Right = 7, 9 = Thrust, 0 = Fire
              zombies		load zombpot zombpot
              
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              • FollyF
                Folly @DTEAM
                last edited by Folly

                @DTEAM said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                Hi @folly, do you think it's possible to use Vulkan on pi5 for MAME standalone?

                I don't have much knowledge of that.
                Looked for some info and it seems it can use vulkan with BGFX stuff.
                That would mean background and shader stuff.
                On the stickfreaks website I found some info that it will not work correctly on Bullseye on the pi4.
                (https://stickfreaks.com/misc/raspberry-pi-4-mame-performance-guide)
                However for the pi5 this could be totally different.
                Seems that if the computer has it it will automatically be enabled.
                However not sure how one can see what is enable.

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                • FollyF
                  Folly @shift
                  last edited by Folly

                  @shift said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                  Hi @Folly, I was testing the Jupiter Ace system (jupace) and I saw that to work correctly the "-ram 32k" parameter must be added, otherwise most of the roms don't work

                  Ok, will do some tests.
                  If -ram 32k is a good add-on I will add it to the script so it will be installed automatically when installing jupace.

                  Thanks for the loader commands will have a look at them too.

                  Edit 1 :
                  Added the maximum of 48k to jupace when installing by default :
                  https://github.com/FollyMaddy/RetroPie-Share/commit/c1d164d7e2b71a11c6a35d969f690fb60482dfac
                  I tested it with 3dmaze and indeed adding ram works.

                  Edit 2 :
                  Loader commands can also be found in the hash table jupace_cass.xml

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                  • DTEAMD
                    DTEAM @Folly
                    last edited by

                    @Folly said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                    I don't have much knowledge of that.
                    Looked for some info and it seems it can use vulkan with BGFX stuff.
                    That would mean background and shader stuff.
                    On the stickfreaks website I found some info that it will not work correctly on Bullseye on the pi4.
                    (https://stickfreaks.com/misc/raspberry-pi-4-mame-performance-guide)

                    I found this (from 2020)
                    https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/28362/enhanced-performance-of-mamedev-mame-in-x11/2

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                    • FollyF
                      Folly @DTEAM
                      last edited by Folly

                      @DTEAM

                      Have read the topic link you proposed.
                      Was indeed informing but hard to understand how things are really connected to each other.
                      Seems resolution changes were working better with some drivers in x11 which improved the speed sometimes, right ?
                      From my own perspective I have also seen these differences sometimes.
                      Indeed Vulkan was mentioned having a possible impact when enabling BGFX and using the HLSL shaders.
                      I think the questions would be :

                      • When are resolution changes active underneath to perform speed improvements in drivers ?
                        (using x11 or wayland in a desktop environment or not or in both situations and or using older or newer RaspberryPi's)
                      • When is Vulkan installed and how can we check ?
                      • Is Vulkan part of the mesa package ?
                      • What does the mesa package do ?
                      • When is Vulkan active ?
                        (using x11 or wayland in a desktop environment or not or in both situations and or using older or newer RaspberryPi's)
                      • Do we use HLSL shaders in our drivers, for example with the handheld ?

                      What do you think are these questions correct ?

                      Edit :
                      We might find more info over here about mesa.

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                      • DTEAMD
                        DTEAM @Folly
                        last edited by DTEAM

                        @Folly said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                        What do you think are these questions correct ?

                        Vulkan could be useful for 3D consoles (like Dreamcast) or newer 3D arcade games (like Naomi 2) under MAME standalone. Maybe the results will be disappointing, but it would be good to do the test.

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                        • FollyF
                          Folly @DTEAM
                          last edited by

                          @DTEAM said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                          @Folly said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                          What do you think are these questions correct ?

                          Vulkan could be useful for 3D consoles (like Dreamcast) or newer 3D arcade games (like Naomi 2) under MAME standalone. Maybe the results will be disappointing, but it would be good to do the test.

                          I think there are indeed some drivers that could work faster.
                          However I don't expect 50 % speed increases.

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                          • FollyF
                            Folly
                            last edited by Folly

                            Script and database are updated to 267.

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                              shift @Folly
                              last edited by shift

                              @Folly Thank You!

                              Meanwhile, I continue to point out those systems that require some adjustments to the scripts in order to work.

                              Orion-128
                              It has a really complicated operation

                              • cassette
                                The script I used is this:
                              lr-mess-orion128-cart-cass = "/opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch --config /opt/retropie/configs/orion128/retroarch.cfg --appendconfig /opt/retropie/configs/orion128/ retroarch.cfg.add -S /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/orion128 -s /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/orion128 -v -L /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mamemess_libretro.so 'orion128 - rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/orion128/ -cfg_directory /opt/retropie/configs/orion128/lr-mess -c -ui_active -cart /home/pi/RetroPie/ roms/orion128/romdisk.zip -cass %ROM%'"
                              

                              the romdisk.zip (a cartridge) must necessarily be loaded and then the cassette, this is the procedure for loading the cassette:

                              Once the game is launched you will arrive at the Orion-128 prompt, immediately press the "Scroll Lock" button to change the focus
                              You will enter the ROMDISK GUI
                              Select CH4# and press ENTER (the LOADER will load)
                              At the BBOA prompt? press A (the cursor should stop flashing)
                              Refocus by pressing "Scroll Lock" (GAME OFF)
                              Press F2 to play the tape
                              Refocus by pressing "Scroll Lock" (GAME ON)
                              Alongside BBOA? you will see the name of the game you chose at the beginning appear
                              Once loading is complete, press F4 (the LOADER will close)
                              In the next column you will see the name of the game you loaded
                              Go right with the cursor arrows, select it and press ENTER
                              Type RUN and ENTER

                              • floppy
                                The script I used is this:
                              lr-mess-orion128-cart-flop1-flop2 = "/opt/retropie/emulators/retroarch/bin/retroarch --config /opt/retropie/configs/orion128/retroarch.cfg --appendconfig /opt/retropie/configs/ orion128/retroarch.cfg.add -S /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/orion128 -s /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/orion128 -v -L /opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-mess/mamemess_libretro.so ' orion128 -rompath /home/pi/RetroPie/BIOS/mame;/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/orion128/ -cfg_directory /opt/retropie/configs/orion128/lr-mess -c -ui_active -cart /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/orion128/romdisk.zip -flop1 /home/pi/RetroPie/roms/orion128/floppy/game1715.zip -flop2 %ROM%'"
                              

                              Once the game is launched you will arrive at the Orion-128 prompt, immediately press the "Scroll Lock" button to change the focus
                              You will enter the ROMDISK GUI
                              Select Boot# and press ENTER (the first floppy that loads the Norton Commander will boot)
                              You will enter directly into the Norton Commander GUI
                              Press D to change drive press B (you should have the floppy you chose at the beginning)
                              The launchable games are the .com ones, select the one you want and press ENTER

                              EDIT: I moved the romdisk.zip cartridge to the correct folder, which is .../orion128/cart

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                              • FollyF
                                Folly @shift
                                last edited by Folly

                                @shift said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                Good to hear you got Orion-128 working.

                                I saw you saying : "The script I used is this: ".
                                We call that a runcommand which is normally installed by the script, so there will be no misunderstanding in what we mean.
                                I see you have edited the runcommands to get them working for the Orion-128.

                                Will have a look at the Orion-128 when I can, and perhaps I can change the way things are installed.
                                With some drivers this is not always possible.
                                Initially these installs were added in systems with EXRAS.
                                However I try to add more stuff to the DEFAULT installs like adding more ram.
                                Will have a look at what is possible.

                                Thanks for explaining how this system driver works.

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                                • FollyF
                                  Folly @DTEAM
                                  last edited by Folly

                                  @DTEAM said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                  @Folly said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                  What do you think are these questions correct ?

                                  Vulkan could be useful for 3D consoles (like Dreamcast) or newer 3D arcade games (like Naomi 2) under MAME standalone. Maybe the results will be disappointing, but it would be good to do the test.

                                  I see you experimenting with other things on the forum like aethersx2 and using xinit with it, if I am correct.

                                  If you run a headless distro (OS without desktop) then you could try to load mame with xinit in the runcommand and see if it gives some improvements.
                                  Would like to hear if it works and if it gives some higher speeds.

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                                    shift @Folly
                                    last edited by

                                    I'm experimenting with the pecom 64 (or pecom 32, it's the same because they use the same BASIC), but there's no way to make it load the cassettes. The command should be PLOAD (I also tried DLOAD) + Enter and then F2 to start the tape, but the system seems to do nothing, and remains stuck, as if waiting for data that doesn't seem to arrive. Has anyone tried to make it work? There are examples online but only with standalone emulators, not with mame.

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                                    • FollyF
                                      Folly @shift
                                      last edited by Folly

                                      @shift said in Development of module-script generator for lr-mess, lr-mame and mame standalone:

                                      I'm experimenting with the pecom 64 or pecom 32

                                      Will have a look at these.

                                      Edit :
                                      Very strange indeed.
                                      No message of the driver that it is not working somewhere.
                                      Also tried many things with no luck.

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                                      • DTEAMD
                                        DTEAM @Folly
                                        last edited by DTEAM

                                        @Folly

                                        You can run MAME with X-init, it works . Now we must try Vulkan. I don't know where it is in the MAME GUI.

                                        try this or select another system

                                        mame-GP32_xinit= "XINIT-WM: /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -c -autoframeskip gp32 -memc %ROM%"
                                        

                                        Maybe you don't need X init like RetroArch, to be honnest I'm greener than green for this.

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                                        • FollyF
                                          Folly @DTEAM
                                          last edited by Folly

                                          @DTEAM

                                          I am in desktop already so I assume vulkan is active if usable and there should be no need to use xinit then.
                                          Did some tests, and here are the results just booting up the driver without a game on my pi5 :

                                          pi@raspberrypi:~ $ /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -ui_active -videodriver x11 gp32
                                          Warning: layout view 'Handheld' contains deprecated bezel element
                                          Warning: layout view 'Handheld' contains deprecated bezel element
                                          Average speed: 46.70% (10 seconds)
                                          
                                          pi@raspberrypi:~ $ /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -ui_active -videodriver sdl gp32
                                          Could not initialize SDL sdl not available
                                          
                                          pi@raspberrypi:~ $ /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -ui_active -videodriver x11 -renderdriver opengl gp32
                                          Warning: layout view 'Handheld' contains deprecated bezel element
                                          Warning: layout view 'Handheld' contains deprecated bezel element
                                          Average speed: 46.23% (4 seconds)
                                          
                                          pi@raspberrypi:~ $ /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -ui_active -videodriver x11 -renderdriver software gp32
                                          Warning: layout view 'Handheld' contains deprecated bezel element
                                          Warning: layout view 'Handheld' contains deprecated bezel element
                                          Average speed: 32.61% (1 seconds)
                                          
                                          pi@raspberrypi:~ $ /opt/retropie/emulators/mame/mame -ui_active -bgfx_backend vulkan gp32
                                          Warning: layout view 'Handheld' contains deprecated bezel element
                                          Warning: layout view 'Handheld' contains deprecated bezel element
                                          Average speed: 45.93% (8 seconds)
                                          

                                          Not much difference except when using software rendering.

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                                          • DTEAMD
                                            DTEAM @Folly
                                            last edited by

                                            @Folly

                                            I'm trying to run Naomi but it won't load . Are you able on your side? I'll try Dreamcast later .

                                            The big difference should be with these machines

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