Daphne black screen

trekdrop

It's the other way around.. space ace dl 1&2 you need to buy, the others are free.
I found the problem, badlands and other games that i tried will not work on a pie

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hy2VpPXgs4a9imeu0_w3SpehKEkhUNOLzD1jhcgwS3o/edit#gid=0

mediamogul

@trekdrop said in Daphne black screen:

badlands

Just out of curiousity, how are these games free? For example, the trademark and copyright for 'Badlands' both seem to be active (Trademarks never expire) and are currently owned by Konami. I looked at a few more and at a glance and they all seem to be protected as well.

Riverstorm

@trekdrop said in Daphne black screen:

space ace dl 1&2 you need to buy, the others are free.

Right you need to buy them but Daphne also downloads those four games in encrypted format. You use the commercial media to decrypt the files. At that point you have two copies of the game. One in encrypted format and one that is playable. Daphne is very inefficient with space usage. :)

Riverstorm

@mediamogul said in Daphne black screen:

Just out of curiousity, how are these games free?

They aren't free I believe that's why you need to build your files from the original laser disc source or at least own it to download it.

It just happens DL1, DL2, Space Ace and Thayer's Quest have a commercial media counterpart that is used for authentication and decryption. I believe the Daphne author received permission from Digital Leisure to include these games (via torrent) with Daphne. Back in the day you didn't need to authenticate the games. It created ill feelings with some users when they started requiring users to authenticate/decrypt the games to play.

EDIT: I think you need to insert the DVD every time you play or it would be pretty easy to borrow a copy one time for decryption. The other games don't have commercial media and hence don't require you to insert a DVD. The reason they might seem free to play.

mediamogul

@Riverstorm said in Daphne black screen:

They aren't free I believe that's why you need to build your files from the original laser disc source or at least own it to download it.

Ah, That makes sense. It also puts it back within the legal grey area that almost every other game of this kind shares.

I believe the Daphne author received permission from Digital Leisure to include these games (via torrent) with Daphne.

I remember when that happened. It was completely unprecedented at the time. I also remember admiring how progressive the decision was on the part of 'Digital Leisure'. I can honestly say that my respect for their company has influenced me to purchase quite a few of their commercial products over the years.

It created some ill feelings with some users when you had to authenticate/decrypt the games to play.

I was never a part of their forums, but I can definitely imagine the drama it would have caused to the over-privileged masses.

Riverstorm

@mediamogul said in Daphne black screen:

I can honestly say that my respect for their company has influenced me to purchase quite a few of their commercial products over the years.

I agree I have most of the DVD versions but I wish they would reprint the Blu-ray versions of Dragon's Lair and Space Ace. Any used Blu-ray copy for sale now is incredibly priced, most of the time and new is ridiculous. Dragon's Lair 2 is pretty easy to find for a decent price though.

trekdrop

@Riverstorm

Like I said I don't want to discuss space ace and the other DVD games. I don't want talk about piracy games.

One big question... Do you have badlands running?

Riverstorm

@trekdrop said in Daphne black screen:

One big question... Do you have badlands running?

I don't have that one working. The ones I have tried that I know work are:

Dragon's Lair (HD version; looks amazing vs. original Daphne version)
Dragon's Lair II
Space Ace (HD version; looks amazing vs. original Daphne version)
Cobra Command
M.A.C.H. 3
Super Don Quix-ote

mediamogul

@trekdrop said in Daphne black screen:

I don't want talk about piracy games.

Unless you own the original arcade cabinets or at least the laserdiscs that were originally in them, you're still talking about piracy games. However, talking about them isn't illegal, so I wouldn't worry about it as long as you don't facilitate their propagation in any way, such as referencing a download link.

@Riverstorm said in Daphne black screen:

The ones I have tried that I know work are:

I can add 'Us vs. Them' to that list. That game is too funny. It's like Ed Wood decided to make a flight shooter... and also decided to, you know, stop being dead and all that.

caver01

@trekdrop said in Daphne black screen:

One big question... Do you have badlands running?

I just verified I can run Bandlands on my Mac. I never bothered to transfer it over to the Pi but I can do so tonight to test it. I don't see why I can't make it work.

Riverstorm

@caver01 said in Daphne black screen:

I don't see why I can't make it work.

Hey Caver I think he is getting the same error that spreadsheet is showing for Daphne on a Pi Trek?

Getting a black screen.  Any luck from anyone else? - Getting what look to be writes to invalid addresses in the logfile.  Log at http://pastebin.com/VLMhxyH6

trekdrop

@Riverstorm

Your right, i have badlands running on my win pc. Retropie gives me the finger, but please try! I hope you will succeed :) than i no what to do do.

trekdrop

@Riverstorm

Uhm i dont know if i can ask this but.. is there a way you can share the ogg audio file off space ace?

NOT THE GAME! Just the audio file.

Riverstorm

@trekdrop said in Daphne black screen:

@Riverstorm

Uhm i dont know if i can ask this but.. is there a way you can share the ogg audio file off space ace?

NOT THE GAME! Just the audio file.

I will definitely help in any way I can but I have to reiterate what Mediamogul just said as it seems like that would be stepping across a boundary.

"...as long as you don't facilitate their propagation in any way."

Basically that is half the game as it only consists of .m2v and .ogg files. The key frame (.dat files) are generated at run time automatically. There are no executables or other files and folders.

mediamogul

@trekdrop

@Riverstorm's right. The audio belonging to any copyrighted video is also a protected work unto itself. NBC/Universal actually used this distinction to bring 'It's a Wonderful Life' out of the public domain for all uses and purposes. It was discovered that the audio elements were still under protection and even though the moving images remain in the public domain, no one wants to air the film as a silent picture. This is why you couldn't swing a dead cat without finding the movie playing on every channel throughout the holiday season many years ago, whereas today, it's only aired a few times each season on the NBC network.

caver01

Well, I ran out of time last night making chocolate truffles. I will try to install Badlands when I get home from work tonight.

Riverstorm

@mediamogul said in Daphne black screen:

'It's a Wonderful Life'

A great movie that I try and make a point to watch every year around the holidays. The only thing better would be enjoying the movie with some chocolate truffles! ;)

mediamogul

@Riverstorm said in Daphne black screen:

A great movie that I try and make a point to watch every year around the holidays.

LJN really missed a trick by not adapting it into a Nintendo game. You could have played as Clarence Odbody, a gaurdian angel who has to follow George Bailey around and prevent him from committing suicide while also having to dodge lightening bolts and foreclosure notices from Mr. Potter.

caver01

@trekdrop said in Daphne black screen:

One big question... Do you have badlands running?

I just tried Bandlands. I cannot get it to work. Same issue. Same weird writes in the log file. Black screen.

I did remove the DAT file and it actually did the parsing just fine and when it first started, I saw a glimpse of the "Wanted" sign, which is the first image you see when the game loads, but after maybe a frame of that video, it went black and stayed black. I exited after waiting 10 minutes or so.