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    mame2003-plus: hundreds of new games, improved input, features, new bugs - now with runahead support

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      grant2258 Banned @markwkidd
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      @markwkidd

      well i dont know if it maps exactly like that would probably be best doing in in panel format anyway they arent binded the same as controllers you would need separate ones fro 8 and 6 panel as well. ive never see people wanting arcade panel controls converted to joypads on a arcade panel before though.

      @robertvb83 you can set retropad per controler now you dont have to worry about your controls pads not mapping right if you choose

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      for the arcade sticks like before

      6 button is the old snes just renamed. I did know this would cause some confusion

      here is a picture of a negeo panel http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2832457721_de79766d20_b.jpg

      If you do feel strongly you want a gamepad map added give us the one format you want for the 6 panel. I think everyone should be able to choose a setup we just cant add a million if you know what i mean

      @robertvb83 for me im using a 8 panel stick my mapping is like this i set it up myself.

      4 5 6
      1 2 3 4

      here is a very quick hackish tip. you can add the button as normal or just wire it up to the button 4 there already and still use the 6 button setup

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        UDb23 @grant2258
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        @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

        here is a picture of a negeo panel

        Exactly the layout I used as reference for my custom 2 player CP (based on ipac2 - keyboard mode)
        :-)

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          grant2258 Banned @UDb23
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          @udb23 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

          @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

          here is a picture of a negeo panel

          Exactly the layout I used as reference for my custom 2 player CP (based on ipac2 - keyboard mode)
          :-)

          I found this to be the best all round solution to be honest its just teh cps games that throw it off there has been forum posts in mame asking them to change the button mapping in sf2 to match panel mapped like this. Sf2 is only a few games i really do find it easier to just map them few games. I was going to make this the default option but me and @dankcushions didnt see eye to eye on the subject so i left it at a 6 panel for now rather than offend anyone. dont tell the big guy i kinda like him but he is just as impossible as me at times :)

          here is my setup
          https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d94KrKLUkotGj9GJVjYDBwdoiazzLFtL/view

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            grant2258 Banned @grant2258
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            some other mame2003+ our main man arcadez fixed m92 and m107e irem games sound the sample where very much the wrong pitch on these games. The things that guy does for the project never ceases to amaze me :)

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              OMG OMG OMG! RAD MOBILE is on the gamelist! I'm trying this out tonight! That is my holy grail of unemulatable games on the pi!

              A good game to tackle would be to get a more modern driver for Ninja Baseball Bat Man, that runs slow as yuck on the pi!

              Amazing work! Cant wait to try it out!

              Vector Artist, Designer and Maker of Stuff: Laser Cut Atari / Pixel Theme Bartop

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                robertvb83 @grant2258
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                @grant2258 @markwkidd in fact i always used the abandoned classic layout :-)

                I really dont think that my usecase is so special! see after all we are talking about emulation of real arcade machines. Of course it is great to be able to use whatever controller you wish but it should also be basic to control this stuff like it was meant to be. With an arcade control panel
                arcade panel

                of course if you chose an arcade layout like original neogeo you are perfect to go with neo geo and all games up to 4 buttons but you are limited to 4 button games. When i decided to build my arcade machine i wanted it to be suitable for most games, including neogeo and consoles but also 6 Button fighting games. So i ended up with my 6 Button fighting stick. I dont have space to place one dedicated cabinet for each game type in my flat :-)

                So i think many people will chose the same layout actually (in fact i know that because i reseached so many projects before i start building this). So i would say this is a pretty standard layout

                And i NEVER came to the idea to use the top button row as 123 because these are the buttons for 99% of the arcade games! and i strongly want to use the bottom row primarily because it is way more comfortable if you can rest your hand on the pad. I dont know of anybody that actually uses a cabinet gampad other than sf2 with
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                this would only make sense for 6 Buttton games

                most would use
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                or
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                Today i would decide to use an 8 Button layout to use the BOTTOM row as 1234 for 4-button game

                btw. if i chose 6-Button subtype for my original SNES controler it feels also not right to have it mapped, nobody uses a SNES gamepad like this, or am i missing something? Who really uses L Button as Button 3 on a SNES PAD?

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                My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                  grant2258 Banned
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                  is an arcade panel layout

                  snes pads have a different physical layout they dont have 3 buttons in a row when you bind in retroach 6 pannel look like this on a snes pad

                  3         6
                  l          R
                     1 2 
                     y x
                     b a
                     4 5
                  
                  
                  this is what i mean you want to emulate your snes pad instead of an arcade panel
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                    robertvb83 @grant2258
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                    @grant2258 are you saying it is the meant-to-be control to use
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                    YXLB on a SNES PAD for Metal Slug?

                    My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                      grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                      @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                      D for

                      we are talkin about arcade panels here not control pads they are both different. you talking about control pads or arcade panels robert?

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                        robertvb83 @grant2258
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                        @grant2258 ok i get that, so all subtypes are only meant to be used for arcade panels?

                        do you get my point that i want my pad as
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                        My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                          robertvb83 @grant2258
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                          @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                          @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                          D for

                          we are talkin about arcade panels here not control pads they are both different. you talking about control pads or arcade panels robert?

                          ideally both :-D because i have two arcade panels for players 1 and 2 plus two SNES controllers for players 3 and 4

                          My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                            grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                            @robertvb83

                            well snes pads will be mapped like i showed above when you pick 6 panel for snes physical controler

                            and the arcade is mapped to
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                            with a 6 panel

                            arcade panels have the buttons in a row so they can do the 123 a snes pad cant.

                            look in the options menu you pick retropad type per controller now

                            @robertvb83 i told mark to name snes to snes/6panel in snes pad it maps like it aalways did in arcade mapping it maps to
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                              robertvb83 @grant2258
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                              @grant2258 yes i know but none of the types fit to my needs...

                              i would pretty much use the old classic for my arcade pad AND my SNES controllers
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                                grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                @robertvb83 well youll need to speak to mark about adding that option you really dont like original arcade layouts ? It doesnt effect control pads. Ive never seen somone wanted the panels laid out as a gamepad instead of the original layout

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                                  robertvb83 @grant2258
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                                  @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

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                                  is an arcade panel layout

                                  snes pads have a different physical layout they dont have 3 buttons in a row when you bind in retroach 6 pannel look like this on a snes pad

                                  3         6
                                  l          R
                                     1 2 
                                     y x
                                     b a
                                     4 5
                                  
                                  
                                  this is what i mean you want to emulate your snes pad instead of an arcade panel
                                  

                                  why do i have the feeling that i really dont understand. Why was this thing calles SNES type? Who would ever use this for their SNES controller? Just imagine your super mario games on snes, it can only be

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                                  My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                    grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                    @robertvb83 snes is the sf2 layout for mame on a snes pad i didnt choose it :)

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                                      robertvb83 @grant2258
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                                      @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                      @robertvb83 well youll need to speak to mark about adding that option you really dont like original arcade layouts ? It doesnt effect control pads. Ive never seen somone wanted the panels laid out as a gamepad instead of the original layout

                                      we need a chatroom grant :-)

                                      i just want to make it very clear, i feel it is hard to get a common understanding

                                      and now im ONLY talking about arcade panel

                                      i like arcade layouts! very much but i want to play one button games
                                      xxx
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                                      1xx

                                      i like to play 2 button games
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                                      i like to play 3 button games
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                                      i like to play 4 button games (and here i physically HAVE to end arcade in-a-row controls!)
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                                      12x

                                      i like to play 6 button games
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                                      so as you see above the BEST fit to cover them all would be
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                                      6 Button fighters would be special and manual

                                      My full size arcade cabinet Robotron vs. Octolyzer

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                                        grant2258 Banned @robertvb83
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                                        @robertvb83 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                        @grant2258 said in mame2003-plus: 250 new games, new input system, new features, new bugs:

                                        @robertvb83 well youll need to speak to mark about adding that option you really dont like original arcade layouts ? It doesnt effect control pads. Ive never seen somone wanted the panels laid out as a gamepad instead of the original layout

                                        we need a chatroom grant :-)

                                        i just want to make it very clear, i feel it is hard to get a common understanding

                                        and now im ONLY talking about arcade panel

                                        i like arcade layouts! very much but i want to play one button games
                                        xxx
                                        YXL
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                                        i like to play 2 button games
                                        xxx
                                        YXL
                                        BAR
                                        12x

                                        i like to play 3 button games
                                        xxx
                                        YXL
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                                        123

                                        i like to play 4 button games (and here i physically HAVE to end arcade in-a-row controls!)
                                        34x
                                        YXL
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                                        12x

                                        i like to play 6 button games
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                                        YXL
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                                        so as you see above the BEST fit to cover them all would be
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                                        6 Button fighters would be special and manual

                                        if that your final option if its ok with mark we can add that for you .

                                        as 6button_retropie. However will adapt to popular demand

                                        the 6 panel
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                                        will remain though for people that want a normal type arcade. That panel you suggested wouldnt suit me for a 6 button i dont use a 6 button other users with 6 buttons can all get together and come up with a retropie 6 button setup then we can do a poll the most popular one get in sound fair?

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                                          markwkidd
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                                          I honestly find these conversations of button layouts to be very difficult to process cognitively. I get frustrated and I lose mental track of what is where. That is the story of the last month. Thank you all for being persistent and hashing through this complex issue.

                                          "abstractions to abstractions to abstractions" is not really a joke. It's freakin complicated.

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                                            grant2258 Banned
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                                            there is no abstactions here mark its just mame buttons

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