N64 Not Cooperating on my Pie
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I'm taking a break from my Saturn issues for the moment, and trying to get my N64 up and running on my Pie 3. Problem is, it's behaving a bit erratically, compared to the rest of my RetroArch stuff (which is not surprising, considering what I've read about all the problems N64 has on a pie).
I recently updated all my cores, and for the most part, all my emulators will just load my games perfectly at launch without me ever having to touch any settings. But when I try to launch mupen64plus (which was the default emulator Pie setup for me), it's very slow for a game like Crusin USA for example. I tried to change it from GLideN64 to Rise to see if that helps, but I can't even load the Quick Menu, because the normal hotkeys I set for the other emulators globally don't seem to be working for this. In fact, I can't access any menus at all using my keyboard. It's like none of the normal keys work properly (but it does register controller buttons, like start or A/B).
Anyone know what it's being so difficult, and different than the rest of my setup? I've not changed anything, so this is all still the default settings for this particular core.
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@AlphaBetaPie mupen64plus is not a libretro emulator so there is no retroarch menu. Only emulators with the lr- prefix use retroarch. Crusin USA unfortunately is one title that doesn't run fullspeed currently with any of the n64 emulators on the pi. Gles2rice does run it "ok" but it's still not great.
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try https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/25112/getting-the-best-n64-experience-on-a-pi-4/36?_=1588508212367 - this should improve performance for GLideN64
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Thanks all. So I went back and removed any previous versions of emulators for N64 currently installed, and then re-installed lr-mupen64plus-next (since it was the one most referenced in the link above). It does work, but most the games do not. The default settings for both video and audio are unplayable. I know N64 emulation is spotty on Retropie, but I expected a few winners here and there. So two questions:
First, I can't find any other plugins besides glide to experiment with. I thought I'd try some others, but in the core options menu, it only has the one. I thought it would install others by default. Can I add them? If so, where would I get them?
Second, is emulation on Pie so spotty that it's not worth the trouble? I'm going to need to be able to get more than a handful of games up and running well. Is there a single setup that works for most games? Like this plugin or that one is the best go-to, then tweak it with this other one over here for most the rest. Or is it just all over the place and unreliable? I guess what I'm asking, is what do you all use to get the most success rate out of most the games you wanna play (or playable enough to get through them)?
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@AlphaBetaPie the pi 3 just isn't powerful enough and doesn't have a modern mobile GPU in it so your only going to be able to run a handful of n64 games well with it. The pi 4 is much better at N64 emulation but it still isn't perfect.
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@quicksilver said in N64 Not Cooperating on my Pie:
@AlphaBetaPie the pi 3 just isn't powerful enough and doesn't have a modern mobile GPU in it so your only going to be able to run a handful of n64 games well with it. The pi 4 is much better at N64 emulation but it still isn't perfect.
Yeah, I figured. I'm just trying to get a feel for what everyone else is doing on their Pie setups for N64, or if no one really messes with it? So I take it there isn't a typical core setup that works best? One that most can go to and say "hey, use this and a lot of games will play well enough to enjoy them?"
Also, when you say Pie 4 is better but not perfect, how much better? I never figured it would be perfect, but I'd hope it's at least passable. I mean not being able to play over half of a system games seems pretty bad overall. If you had to put a percentage of what Pie 4 can play of N64, what would you place it at? 20%? 40%?
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@AlphaBetaPie no idea what the percentage is but the vast majority of the games I would care to play are working well. Most of the first party Nintendo and Rare titles work well.
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@quicksilver said in N64 Not Cooperating on my Pie:
@AlphaBetaPie no idea what the percentage is but the vast majority of the games I would care to play are working well. Most of the first party Nintendo and Rare titles work well.
Thanks for the info. So is lr-mupen64plus-next the go-to on Pie 4, or is there a more reliable core I should be using. Also, any idea on the question above (regarding why I don't have any other plugins installed by default)? A YouTube video I saw stated it should have multiple options in the quick menu, like rice for example. But I have just the single glide option (when installing from source under the packages menu).
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@AlphaBetaPie I use mupen64plus-gliden64 as my default mainly because its still an actively developed plugin for mupen64plus. Lr-mupen64plus-next uses gliden64 but because it has retroarch tacked on it tends to not have the same performance.
Are you using a default retropie image? Where did you get the image from? It should have other plugins available for mupen64plus.
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@quicksilver said in N64 Not Cooperating on my Pie:
@AlphaBetaPie I use mupen64plus-gliden64 as my default mainly because its still an actively developed plugin for mupen64plus. Lr-mupen64plus-next uses gliden64 but because it has retroarch tacked on it tends to not have the same performance.
Are you using a default retropie image? Where did you get the image from? It should have other plugins available for mupen64plus.
I'm using a default official image. But I removed the default N64 emulator and switched over to Lr-mupen64plus-next (because for my set up, I absolute have to have the Retroarch interface). But I made backups. Could I fish those plugins out of the default mupen64plus folder? If so, do I just drop them in the current n64 folder to make them accessible to Lr-mupen64plus-next?
And as a side note, how many times would you say you had to do a custom setup to get your games to work (IE: changing settings and configs per game)? Is it like every other games needs tinkering with it get it running? Or do you have a better track record using one plugin or the other? I know it's never a one size fits all, just trying to get a feel for the best overall one (as far as compatibility).
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@AlphaBetaPie there are a lot less issues with mupen64plus on the pi 4 because the GPU doesn't cause as many issues. Most of the games I play don't require special configuration.
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@AlphaBetaPie said in N64 Not Cooperating on my Pie:
I'm using a default official image. But I removed the default N64 emulator and switched over to Lr-mupen64plus-next (because for my set up, I absolute have to have the Retroarch interface). But I made backups. Could I fish those plugins out of the default mupen64plus folder? If so, do I just drop them in the current n64 folder to make them accessible to Lr-mupen64plus-next?
how did you remove it? assuming you removed it via retropie_setup, just reinstall it via the same. it's in main > mupen64plus.
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