MAME ROW #2: Blue's Journey / Raguy

meleu

@qix77 @lilbud @Cole_48 @dankcushions @GtBFilms @Lyle_JP @R1n0X @cyperghost @Brigane @obsidianspider @mediamogul @UDb23 @backstander

Well, I played Blue's Journey and beated the game (using hundreds of coins, of course). I liked, I didn't even know this game and it's fun to play with my kid. But...

To be honest I kinda miss that previous style of game (Phoenix, New Rally X and Bosconian). Repetitive, each stage increase the difficulty, score matters... I would like to know if it happened to you guys too.

If we go on a random game from 0.78 romset we can get Street Fighter II, Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Captain Commando, The King of Fighters, Metal Slug, Marvel vs Capcom... Those are great games, but I feel like we want to discover some real old gems.

So I would like to propose one more filter for the next week game list: games from before 1985. What do you guys think?

obsidianspider

I was away on business for almost two weeks and just got home, so I'm up for whatever is chosen in the next round.

UDb23

@meleu I agree.

Lyle_JP

I don't know if the hard year limit is the way to go about it. You'd be missing out on some extraordinary post-1985 shooter series like Darius, R-Type, and Gradius. Those three series make up 9+ games depending on how you count them, all playable on pi2 and 3 hardware. And then there are some titles that, while not classics, would be fantastic contests anyway, like Zero Wing, the Fantasy Zone and TwinBee series, or even Airwolf (that earworm will never leave you), or the manic shooters like the Aero Fighters/Sonic Wings series, or anything from Atlus/Cave (those could be some awfully short games for many of us, but why can't that be fun, too?).

No, I don't care for the hard year limit. But three rules I would be completely down with adopting are:

Reject any game for which there is no clearly numeric scoring system. No sense in posting scores if there aren't any in the strictest sense.
Since we're posting the titles Monday, perhaps if there's a general consensus by Wednesday (or earlier) that the game simply sucks out loud, another should be randomly picked. I'm not sure how formal that process needs to be. I'm hoping that most of the time it will just be obvious.
Reject games which require some sort of analog input (dials, wheels, pedals, trackballs, flight sticks, rotary joysticks, etc.). By sticking to 8-way plus buttons, we maximize participation. If this is already being done, sorry for bringing it up.

lilbud

@meleu Should this round include Monday? It's Columbus Day here in the states, but I am not sure if that exists in other countries.

It was also my birthday yesterday.

cyperghost

@meleu
Annother idea but it will complicate the process a bit.
Maybe if you still use the old game rules but you make 5 random selected games and then the forum jury (the whole forum of course!) make decision via poll what game is next. I played also Blue journey but well... it isn't the same style as the old classics before.

Or like you already mentioned ... use a filter from 1900-1985 ... but well there were lots of awful games developed during the first video crash in 1983 :(

meleu

@lilbud said in MAME ROW #2: Blue's Journey / Raguy:

@meleu Should this round include Monday?

Sure! I believe anyone can post anything (hi-score, strategies, etc.) in any previous rounds threads about the respective game! We aren't that rigorous (I think).

It's Columbus Day here in the states, but I am not sure if that exists in other countries.

For curiosity: there's no such day here in Brazil.

It was also my birthday yesterday.

If we were on the same city we would play some Marvel vs. Capcom (or maybe SNES Bomber Man 4 players fighting) in celebration of your day. And if you were completing 21 years we could take a few beers... :-)

For curiosity (2): in Brazil people are allowed to drink when complete 18 years.

lilbud

@meleu I'm still a few years off of drinking yet.
Even in Brazil.

meleu

I liked the @cyperghost first idea, but would like to limit to 3 options. I created a poll about this all, please vote:
http://www.strawpoll.me/11386814

backstander

@lilbud I looked up Columbus Day and it says that Americas and surprisingly also Italy, Spain and other various Little Italys celebrate this holiday except some U.S. states; Hawaii, Alaska, Oregon, and South Dakota do not recognize Columbus Day at all; however, Hawaii and South Dakota mark the day with an alternative holiday. Also Canada observes their Thanksgiving Day on that day. This is our history lesson of the day :-)

@cyperghost I like the voting idea as well!

UDb23

@backstander Columbus day is in the list of italian celebrative days; but it's not a holiday in Italy (unfortunately!)

lilbud

My score was 65,334

I'd have a screenshot, but in a fit of rage, I reset the emulation, losing my progress.

qix77

@meleu I recently screwed up. Since I haven't had much time to keep up with how everyone was choosing games (didn't realize it was random), I got it confused with another forum where it's on a 'first post' rule meaning that whoever posts first on a Friday with a game in mind is what the next tournament was to be based on. It's chaotic but usually works as long as it isn't a game we played before.

Some on here didn't like that and thought I was being an asshole or something, but I understand why. I need to pop in here more often.

Going to pop up Blue's Journey. It's been ages since I've played it.

mediamogul

@qix77

Don't worry about it. It's the internet and mistakes happen. Just say a few Hail Marys and post some ridiculous cat meme and I'm sure all will be forgiven.

dankcushions

@qix77 no-one said you were an asshole.

i think it's a shame it looks like the 'vote for one of the 3 random games' option is going to be the clear winner. now as soon as anything remotely well-known appears it will be the one voted for, rather than us getting 'forced' to play these curios like blue's journey, which i would have never have fired up otherwise. boo!

and that's why democracy doesn't work :)

mediamogul

@dankcushions

I don't know, even with a selection of three, the odds are probably still in favor of the curios. I mean out of 4705 games, how many are really well known, several hundred maybe? However, I do get what you're saying and I sympathize. When I participate, I'll always be likely to vote for something I've never played before that looks interesting, as it adds to the overall experience for me.

meleu

@qix77 you started to call us to play arcade games on the weekends. You're not an asshole. We love you! <3

@dankcushions democracy, at least in this specific case, really works. Because nobody will be forced to play the chosen game, only those who wants to participate. There's no prize/money involved in this "tournament". It's just for fun and to make us interact a little more.

I think the most likely to win on a vote won't be the best known, but which meet the requirements we talked about earlier (repetitive, each stage increase the difficulty, score matters, etc.). Think on a dispute between "Captain Commando" vs "Bosconian". I would vote for Bosconian.

lilbud

I say next week we play Cloud Master, or Chuka Taisen

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cyperghost

@dankcushions You will get in deep trouble if the next selection contains the three games

1942
1941
1943

You made my day :)

I think it's better to choose between three games because in the case of the MAME ROW #2 I disliked the game. Moreover if there are three games to choose everybody can collect game experience ...

Show videos in youtube
read game guides
by selfplaying

That's the way I would choose a game and give my vote. I think that is fair for all. I understand your concern if there is one real good and popular game in. I think Gyruss would for example outstand every other game. But think about we are talking about 4000+ games and there are only a bunch of well knowen - and such a constallation is more or less an exception.

dankcushions

@cyperghost actually it's something like 2500 games when you take out all the clones, which is how our system works. plus you remove all the non-working and gambling/etc games, and you're left with maybe 1500 possibilities.

hey, in 29 years we will have played all the games regardless ;)

anyway, back to blue's journey... or as i like to call it 'shitty super mario bros 2' :)