The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!
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@quicksilver It's insane (in positive sense) that they actually use DDR4. The previous version used DDR2 and I was expecting 3 for cost reasons. Even my current day to day and gaming machine uses DDR3 with 1600mhz.
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Maybe it is possible by use of the existing theme engine. Does it support 4k, too? Anyway it might lead into a new default theme.
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@mick said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
Does it support 4k, too?
Emulationstation is not limited to a certain resolution, but I think themes are designed with assets and layouts for a 1080p resolution, that's why they might look awkward on 4k. If you want to take a look, you can grab a Windows version from here and a pre-configured portable install from here - which has some systems and scraped info already, along with some fake roms.
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Made a new discussion here: https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/22709/all-new-emulation-station-ui
Sorry for off topic :) Super hyped for the Pi4!
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I'm quite excited for the Pi4. The CPU, GPU, and memory upgrades will make a huge difference when emulating some of the more recent platforms. I'm going to wait until there is a proper NesPi case or something with equal appeal like a Genesis/MegaDrive case designed for the form factor and layout before I buy though. But yeah I'm legitimately excited for the performance improvements this will offer as it is a HUGE upgrade. I've been holding off doing another build for years now as my RetroPie 3.6 builds do mostly what I want them to, and I've come to terms with what they don't do particularly well (3DO, N64, Dreamcast, PSP) so I've just kind of let it stagnate. I mostly favor the 3rd and 4th console generations anyway. This new Pi4 is the perfect excuse to invest the time to make a fresh build as there will be legitimate and significant gains. I personally don't think Saturn emulation at playable speed is all that realistic but I'd love to be proven wrong. I am however very curious about 3DO emulation on the Pi4. If someone tests this when they get their Pi4 in hand, I'd love to know the result.
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@drake999 Why don't you think Saturn is possible? It runs fine on the Odroid Xu4. The only reason it didn't get a Pi port was because of the lack of GLS 3.0 support. Now this is here it should come.
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@Barcrest Well if that is the case I'm even more excited then. I wasn't basing that opinion on anything other than my own knowledge of the system's complexity and how difficult emulation for the platform has been traditionally. If it works at playable speed on the Pi4 that is awesome.
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@drake999 There is an emulator that runs it pretty well on the odriod. I think it is a fork of YABSE, it may even be linked earlier up in this thred. You can get it for the PC too.
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@drake999 said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
I am however very curious about 3DO emulation on the Pi4
On my overclocked 3 b+ I was able to get Road Rash running at 35-55fps. Menus were fullspeed and load times were fine. I suspect the pi 4 will be able to handle no problem. Pure speculation at this point but if I could get that close on the 3 b+ then its not a huge leap to think the much more powerful pi 4 can handle.
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@quicksilver Thanks for the info. I've been away from the forum for a while and the last time I was in a discussion involving 3DO testing it was a slideshow in terms of fps. I never bothered to test it myself when I heard the results others were getting. With what you've told me its all but guaranteed to work great on the Pi4, which is awesome news.
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@Barcrest About my only positive experience with Saturn emulation was a brief test I did on my core i5 gaming laptop and from what I remember it worked quite well. I think it was Mednafen. I never went beyond just testing and playing around with the emulator briefly though as I didn't find the interface very intuitive at the time, and it was a bit of a chore to use I found personally. I've heard Yabause is quirky at best so never even attempted that one. Because it was my understanding that up until recently Saturn emulation was difficult even on a beefed up PC, I never bothered to even entertain the idea on an ARM based platform. I guess I should have been paying more attention.
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@quicksilver said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
I dont know if anyone noticed but the pi 4 SDRAM frequency is set to 3200mhz. I knew that it was better than previous models, just didnt realize how much better. I also saw on the RPI config.txt documentation page that by enabling 4k video mode, the GPU's clock speed will auto increase to 600 mhz, so there is definitely some overclocking potential here if 600mhz is considered stable as a factory setting.
Im picking up my 4b 2gb tomorrow and hope to start playing with it this weekend. Fun times!
Where'd you end up getting it from? Still MicroCenter?
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@hooperre Yep, they most have gotten more in stock. I reserved it today and will be headed there tomorrow to pick it up.
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@quicksilver said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@hooperre Yep, they most have gotten more in stock. I reserved it today and will be headed there tomorrow to pick it up.
Congrats. V jealous. I texted them and haven't heard back. Suppose I'll have to call and ask.
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@hooperre It will probably just be an attractive paper weight until people more capable than myself get things running on it. :)
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My local microcenter has all pi4 models in stock. The 4gb is listed as out of stock on the website but when I got there they had just got a shipment this morning.
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About Saturn emulation, if it works fine on Odroid XU4, it has the potential to be equal or better on the RPi 4. The major weakness on the older Pies was the lack of OpenGL ES 3.X support, but the RPi 4 supports it and the GPU, despite there is little information and tests about it now, it is most likely more powerfull that the Odroid XU4.
About the CPU performance, multi-threaded the XU4 wins, it is 8 core SBC, but the RPi 4 cores are more recent and more powerfull, even running at lower frequency. And since most emulators are single-thread, or at least, don't use more than 2 cores, the RPi should have better performance in the future.
But this isn't something that will happen next week or next month, it will require time and alot of work, probably even on some of the emulators code. -
I'm wondering whether the major changes to the hardware of the pi4 might wind up meaning that
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How reliable would this guy's Retropie Buster image be ?
https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroPie/comments/c6655h/retropie_buster_base_image/
He frequently mentions that he would not be welcome here. Is he legit ?
i think I almost recognize the nick..but may be before my time here.
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@ByteThis I think somebody already tried installing RetroPie on the PI4 - it's in another topic - but it's more than just making sure everything compiles and installs right. The other poster just got a black screen opening up ES, so there's more work to be done to make it work with the new hardware and software.
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