The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!
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I'm new to the pi scene in general and recently picked up the 2gig pi 4.
Can anyone point me in the direction of stand alone emulators for 8 bit and 16 bit systems that currently work on the pi 4 ?
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Edit: Damn, I forgot there is no RetroPie for the Raspberry Pi 4 yet. So my below answer is not valid for now. (sorry)
@Lionheart I am not sure how you define stand alone emulator. RetroPie is an operating system including many emulators by default, with many more optional to install. Most of the mainstream 8 and 16 bit systems are covered by default.
- RetroPie: Website (homepage and download)
- RetroPie: Docs (including first installation and getting started tutorial)
You basically install RetroPie on your drive or micro sd card and put roms to the predefined folders of your system. The emulators are already installed on it. The first gamepad will be configured easily and you can start playing. For more specific questions and if you encounter problems, I recommend you to ask anything related in Help section of the forum:
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@thelostsoul as I said i’m New to the pi emulation scene. I mainly used pc for emulation, so I used separate emulators for each system. But since I burned out my pc’s main board a couple months ago I decided to go with the pi as it’s small and hopefully does the job when RetroPie becomes available on the 4b.
I was just wandering if there is an emulator for one or 2 systems up and running so I have something to do while I wait for RetroPie?
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@Lionheart said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
I'm new to the pi scene in general and recently picked up the 2gig pi 4.
Can anyone point me in the direction of stand alone emulators for 8 bit and 16 bit systems that currently work on the pi 4 ?
Please be patient, there soon will be a release for the Pi 4. For now there's not much you can do but you can read the documentation which will be very helpful to study before the next version is released.
You can install Raspbian if you aren't patient but stand alone emulators (or even RetroArch itself) are not fully optimised yet. It's pretty pointless.
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@Lionheart Every emulator needs an operating system. RetroPie isn't available for Pi 4 yet, so we can't do anything about that. They are working on it. There are other general purpose operating systems like Debian (also Linux), where you can install emulators for it. Or there are other RetroPie like all-in-one solutions, but I am not familiar with them and I don't know if any of them are ready for Pi 4. See, the Pi 4 is very new and the developers need time to adapt. Just wait a little longer of buy a Pi 3 to play with it until its ready for your newer Pi 4.
Like @matchaman said, you can read the documentation, watch videos about RetroPie and prepare yourself for it.
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@matchaman Agreed. My pi4 just arrived so I tried some emulators that only ran on desktop and it was just unusable garbage.
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I'm super excited about running Retropie when it is ready for the Raspberry Pi 4. I'm not a very patient person, so instead of waiting idly by, I donated to the cause. It may not get Retropie to me any faster, but I feel good that I'm helping in some small way.
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Seems like the 4 GB models are in at most microcenter stores if you look now! I got mine reserved.
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@mostlymustard said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
I'm super excited about running Retropie when it is ready for the Raspberry Pi 4. I'm not a very patient person, so instead of waiting idly by, I donated to the cause. It may not get Retropie to me any faster, but I feel good that I'm helping in some small way.
Same, the best £25 donation I made outside health-causes :)
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@thelostsoul said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@Lionheart Every emulator needs an operating system. RetroPie isn't available for Pi 4 yet...
RetroPie is not an operating system, it's an emulation frontend (emulationstation) + emulators + various other programs and scripts. When you get a preconfigured image for the raspberry pi, it uses Rasbian which is the official operating system for the pi.
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@cacophony555 Well, not wrong, RetroPie is a distribution in this case. RetroPie IS an operating system based on Rasbian, including a software bundle and configuration called RetroPie too. My point was, he cannot just install any standalone application and needs some kind of operating system.
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@thelostsoul said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@cacophony555 Well, not wrong, RetroPie is a distribution in this case. RetroPie IS an operating system based on Rasbian, including a software bundle and configuration called RetroPie too. My point was, he cannot just install any standalone application and needs some kind of operating system.
No it really isn't. I don't think you know what an operating system is 😀
You could say the retropie image includes an operating system. The operating system is raspian. Retropie is not based on it. It's some programs on top of it.
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@cacophony555 said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
No it really isn't. I don't think you know what an operating system is 😀
I think I know what an operating system is. RetroPie is a distribution, including several applications and configuration on top of an existing os. That is the definition of distribution, which is an os. Otherwise, is Ubuntu based on Debian not an operating system? Or Linux Mint, which based on Ubuntu.
Shockingly, Rasbian is based on Debian.
You could say the retropie image includes an operating system. The operating system is raspian. Retropie is not based on it. It's some programs on top of it.
I would argue that you don't know what a distribution is. Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
A Linux distribution (often abbreviated as distro) is an operating system made from a software collection
Just because Raspbian got rebranded and reconfigured, does not change the fact that the RetroPie Image is an functional OS.
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@thelostsoul said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
@cacophony555 said in The new Raspberry Pi 4 is here!!:
No it really isn't. I don't think you know what an operating system is 😀
I think I know what an operating system is. RetroPie is a distribution, including several applications and configuration on top of an existing os. That is the definition of distribution, which is an os. Otherwise, is Ubuntu based on Debian not an operating system? Or Linux Mint, which based on Ubuntu.
Shockingly, Rasbian is based on Debian.
You could say the retropie image includes an operating system. The operating system is raspian. Retropie is not based on it. It's some programs on top of it.
I would argue that you don't know what a distribution is. Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
A Linux distribution (often abbreviated as distro) is an operating system made from a software collection
Nah, distribution isn't really the right term either, which is why you won't find that term used on the retropie site
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@cacophony555 Can you explain why distribution isn't the right term?? It is by definition correct. The RetroPie Image is based on an existing base os, with additional and changed software collection and pre configuration. This is exactly what Linux Mint does. At the end, whatever you call it, the RetroPie image is a functional operating system, regardless of its name.
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@thelostsoul The definition of distro gets a bit fuzzy. Raspbian is definitely a distro. I guess retropie might be called that too. But referring to retropie as an OS sounds very wrong to me considering that Raspbian is mostly untouched.
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@cacophony555 But the RetroPie image is an operating system. I know it is just rebranded, but that does not change its nature. Say you have Raspbian and you make some tweaks like RetroPie did and publish it in the internet. The only difference is, that you don't change the name. Would it still not be an operating system?
Whatever, we did discuss this off topic for too long here. :D lets just says we both are right somehow, because like you said, the term is a bit fuzzy and to be honest, it does not matter. ;-) But it was somewhat nice to argue.
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I always read in the Docs as Retropie is installed on Raspbian Lite. You can simply install Retropie itself onto a pre-existing Raspbian Lite or Raspbian full install and it would be no different as using the premade image. I don't think the kernel is modified but I could be wrong.
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What I am curious about is if anyone has been able to test any of the emulators yet on the Pi 4 to see performance gains. That is, if any of them have been updated to utilize the Pi 4 specifically.
"If you're gonna play the Game Boy, You gotta learn to play it right" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLGl92ETNQ
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@KN4THX Hard to say since whatever's out is un-optimized. Drivers need work too. I tried Lakka. TaitoF3 games that run slow on mame2003plus and extremely slow on fbneo on a pi3 run at fullspeed on neo with slight drops.
Flycast has major graphic bugs that makes most games completely unplayable. Like, Fist of the North star (atomiswave) ran at around 50-55fps but I can't distinguish anything due to the graphic bugs.
Using the "glcore" driver instead of the "gl" driver made the menu go from ~30fps to ~55fps.
Saturn is still unplayable. If it it'll ever be, who knows. I tried the slower libretro version, though.
Overall it's not worth the time right now. Lakka corrupts itself eventually. Maybe it's my card.
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