Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.

silentq · 11 Nov 2016, 22:46

Ok you may have nailed it. I had my set using the old set which I think I downgraded because I had a newer set to get it working in the first place. Now that I am upgrading I would imagine that would be problematic.

silentq · 11 Nov 2016, 23:23

Just as an aside I have to say going to .175 for FBA seems a bit of a jump if you ask me. The readily available roms on the web mostly seem to be at .161. I could see this presenting a big issue for many people wanting to upgrade to 4.1. Any reason behind the thinking of jumping to such a new version considering what is actually out there now?

dankcushions · 11 Nov 2016, 23:29

@silentq .161 was already way behind what FBA .38 needed :)

every FBA release seems to sync up with whatever the current mame romset is. not much we can do about that.

silentq · 11 Nov 2016, 23:49

One other question will the .38 romset work with .39 I seem to see those two versions used pretty interchangeably?

silentq · 11 Dec 2016, 07:36

I don't know what else to do. I updated all of my mame roms to .175 still the same roms are failing. I guess I will stick with fba2012 since it seems to work right.

silentq · 12 Nov 2016, 07:31

I did a little more research and I am not sure if I have found a bug now. So upon settling on fbaalpha2012 in cases where roms were no longer working I noticed a bit of a pattern and it makes me wonder if the bios built into some of these emulators are broken. For example lr-fbalpha fails on nearly every single Capcom game but it works perfectly on every single Konami game. Likewise every single Capcom game works perfectly on lr-fbaalpha2012 but doesn't work at all on lr-fbalpha. In every single case for all my roms if one emulator didn't work the other did. So this leads me to wonder if something is up with the emulators themselves?

rbaker · 12 Nov 2016, 08:03

@silentq I would say not. In my experience it is always an incorrect romset. Next you should post an example of which rom fails on which emulator together with the files in that rom and we can tell you if it's the correct rom or not. Also, I have started obtaining full reference sets when upgrading to remove similar issues. They are already verified and work out of the box.

silentq · 12 Nov 2016, 18:20

Yeah still not working this is the .38 reference set version of Alien Vs Predator:

This is the parent of split set. I have usually in the past had no problem just using the parents in Final Burn Alpha.

avsp.zip - 10,203KB

files inside
avp.01 - 128kb
avp.05d - 512kb
avp.06 - 512kb
avp.11m - 2,048kb
avp.12m - 2,048kb
avp.13m - 2,048kb
avp.14m - 2,048kb
avp.15m - 2,048kb
avp.16m - 2,048kb
avp.17m - 2,048kb
avp.18m - 2,048kb
avp.19m - 2,048kb
avp.20m - 2,048kb
avpe.03d - 512kb
avpe.04d - 512kb

This is just one example but really no changes it appears from the previous version when I compare.

Please let me know how this lines up with your reference copy.

Thanks

dankcushions · 12 Nov 2016, 21:50

@silentq that's not like my .39 version:

chris:avsp chris$ ls -l
total 56624
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   131072 24 Dec  1996 avp.01
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avp.05d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avp.06
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.11m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.12m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.13m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.14m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.15m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.16m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.17m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.18m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.19m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.20m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpa.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpa.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpd.06
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpe.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpe.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avped.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avped.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avph.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avph.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpj.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpj.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpu.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpu.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avsp.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avspa.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avsph.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avspj.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avspu.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 phoenix.key

Darksavior · 12 Nov 2016, 21:59

@silentq cps2 roms now require a .key file inside each zip. An updated romset will have them included. It doesn't have to be exactly .175. Anything higher is fine. I did find them by googling the .178 set

silentq · 11 Dec 2016, 23:00

@dankcushions and @dankcushions this was exactly the information I needed to see, after applying some update packs I see the key files you are talking about. That must have been the big change messing with all my roms. After some messing about ctrlmamepro I I think i should be able to get this to work now that I am seeing the proper files. Thank you so much.

katsudoro · 13 Nov 2016, 15:45

I confirm, anything above .175 is fine as long as the rom has the .key files in it. Also on a side note, in the new romset all the cps3 games are just one file each, no more original and no cd clones, which is great if you are planning on having a cabinet with mainly cps2 and cps3 games.

Dochartaigh · 13 Nov 2016, 21:30

@silentq said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

One other question will the .38 romset work with .39 I seem to see those two versions used pretty interchangeably?

Not all are compatible. I forget the exact percentage of the ones I use, but maybe 5 out of 60 of my 0.173 roms didn't work with the new 0.175 lr-fbalpha.

NanoS7 · 16 Nov 2016, 15:26

Hello everyone,
I am new at Retropie, but old at emulator world. I did not care romset until now jeje. I have FBA .38 romset and use ctrlmamepro guide to convert at .39. I can confirm many games dont work :( on lr-fbalpha.
Thanks to all, it's an excellent project.
Sorry my english. Grettings from Chile.

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 15:30

@NanoS7 said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

Hello everyone,
I am new at Retropie, but old at emulator world. I did not care romset until now jeje. I have FBA .38 romset and use ctrlmamepro guide to convert at .39. I can confirm many games dont work :( on lr-fbalpha.
Thanks to all, it's an excellent project.
Sorry my english. Grettings from Chile.

hi :) you can't convert from an old to a later version (as it requires files you don't have), only convert from a later to an older version. so you need to get a .39 set.

NanoS7 · 16 Nov 2016, 15:42

@dankcushions now I know. FBA Arcade romset .39 is hard to find.
Mame .175 romset is the same?? I want only run CPS(123) and Neo-Geo games.

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 15:45

@NanoS7 neogeo and CPS(123) will be the same as in the mame .175 romset as far as I know. i did manage to find a .39 fba romset, though :)

Dochartaigh · 16 Nov 2016, 16:15

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

@NanoS7 neogeo and CPS(123) will be the same as in the mame .175 romset as far as I know. i did manage to find a .39 fba romset, though :)

Unfortunately the exact .39/0.175 Romset you're talking about only has 1,519 out of the 4,374 roms the full 0.175 romset is supposed to have. Even if I'll never use even 90% of the romset, I like the option to be available to me, you know? ...this is why I don't understand why the switch was made in RetroPie to such an utterly (currently) inaccessible romset.

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

hi :) you can't convert from an old to a later version (as it requires files you don't have), only convert from a later to an older version. so you need to get a .39 set.

You ARE supposed to (in theory ;) be able to UPDATE a romset with ClrmamePro IF you have the update packs. 0.173 is the current full romset I have, and [Redacted] and the like have 0.173 to 0.174 and 0.174 to 0.175 update packs....but hell if I can figure out ClrmamePro despite like 10 hours of trying... (and I like to think I'm no dummy...but I totally am with that non-use-friendly ClrmamePro program).

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 16:21

@Dochartaigh

Unfortunately the exact .39/0.175 Romset you're talking about only has 1,519 out of the 4,374 roms the full 0.175 romset is supposed to have. Even if I'll never use even 90% of the romset, I like the option to be available to me, you know? ...this is why I don't understand why the switch was made in RetroPie to such an utterly (currently) inaccessible romset.

it's not a retropie decision - we don't write the emulators. FBA seem to sync their romset with current mame every release.

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 16:22

@Dochartaigh said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

@NanoS7 neogeo and CPS(123) will be the same as in the mame .175 romset as far as I know. i did manage to find a .39 fba romset, though :)

Unfortunately the exact .39/0.175 Romset you're talking about only has 1,519 out of the 4,374 roms the full 0.175 romset is supposed to have.

also i haven't checked my romset but i think it's a merged set, so it will have all of those roms, just merged. you can use clrmamepro to un-merge/split if you want.