Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.

dankcushions · 12 Nov 2016, 21:50

@silentq that's not like my .39 version:

chris:avsp chris$ ls -l
total 56624
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   131072 24 Dec  1996 avp.01
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avp.05d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avp.06
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.11m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.12m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.13m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.14m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.15m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.16m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.17m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.18m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.19m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff  2097152 24 Dec  1996 avp.20m
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpa.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpa.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpd.06
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpe.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpe.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avped.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avped.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avph.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avph.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpj.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpj.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpu.03d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff   524288 24 Dec  1996 avpu.04d
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avsp.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avspa.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avsph.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avspj.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 avspu.key
-rwxr-xr-x  1 chris  staff       20 24 Dec  1996 phoenix.key

Darksavior · 12 Nov 2016, 21:59

@silentq cps2 roms now require a .key file inside each zip. An updated romset will have them included. It doesn't have to be exactly .175. Anything higher is fine. I did find them by googling the .178 set

silentq · 11 Dec 2016, 23:00

@dankcushions and @dankcushions this was exactly the information I needed to see, after applying some update packs I see the key files you are talking about. That must have been the big change messing with all my roms. After some messing about ctrlmamepro I I think i should be able to get this to work now that I am seeing the proper files. Thank you so much.

katsudoro · 13 Nov 2016, 15:45

I confirm, anything above .175 is fine as long as the rom has the .key files in it. Also on a side note, in the new romset all the cps3 games are just one file each, no more original and no cd clones, which is great if you are planning on having a cabinet with mainly cps2 and cps3 games.

Dochartaigh · 13 Nov 2016, 21:30

@silentq said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

One other question will the .38 romset work with .39 I seem to see those two versions used pretty interchangeably?

Not all are compatible. I forget the exact percentage of the ones I use, but maybe 5 out of 60 of my 0.173 roms didn't work with the new 0.175 lr-fbalpha.

NanoS7 · 16 Nov 2016, 15:26

Hello everyone,
I am new at Retropie, but old at emulator world. I did not care romset until now jeje. I have FBA .38 romset and use ctrlmamepro guide to convert at .39. I can confirm many games dont work :( on lr-fbalpha.
Thanks to all, it's an excellent project.
Sorry my english. Grettings from Chile.

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 15:30

@NanoS7 said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

Hello everyone,
I am new at Retropie, but old at emulator world. I did not care romset until now jeje. I have FBA .38 romset and use ctrlmamepro guide to convert at .39. I can confirm many games dont work :( on lr-fbalpha.
Thanks to all, it's an excellent project.
Sorry my english. Grettings from Chile.

hi :) you can't convert from an old to a later version (as it requires files you don't have), only convert from a later to an older version. so you need to get a .39 set.

NanoS7 · 16 Nov 2016, 15:42

@dankcushions now I know. FBA Arcade romset .39 is hard to find.
Mame .175 romset is the same?? I want only run CPS(123) and Neo-Geo games.

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 15:45

@NanoS7 neogeo and CPS(123) will be the same as in the mame .175 romset as far as I know. i did manage to find a .39 fba romset, though :)

Dochartaigh · 16 Nov 2016, 16:15

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

@NanoS7 neogeo and CPS(123) will be the same as in the mame .175 romset as far as I know. i did manage to find a .39 fba romset, though :)

Unfortunately the exact .39/0.175 Romset you're talking about only has 1,519 out of the 4,374 roms the full 0.175 romset is supposed to have. Even if I'll never use even 90% of the romset, I like the option to be available to me, you know? ...this is why I don't understand why the switch was made in RetroPie to such an utterly (currently) inaccessible romset.

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

hi :) you can't convert from an old to a later version (as it requires files you don't have), only convert from a later to an older version. so you need to get a .39 set.

You ARE supposed to (in theory ;) be able to UPDATE a romset with ClrmamePro IF you have the update packs. 0.173 is the current full romset I have, and [Redacted] and the like have 0.173 to 0.174 and 0.174 to 0.175 update packs....but hell if I can figure out ClrmamePro despite like 10 hours of trying... (and I like to think I'm no dummy...but I totally am with that non-use-friendly ClrmamePro program).

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 16:21

@Dochartaigh

Unfortunately the exact .39/0.175 Romset you're talking about only has 1,519 out of the 4,374 roms the full 0.175 romset is supposed to have. Even if I'll never use even 90% of the romset, I like the option to be available to me, you know? ...this is why I don't understand why the switch was made in RetroPie to such an utterly (currently) inaccessible romset.

it's not a retropie decision - we don't write the emulators. FBA seem to sync their romset with current mame every release.

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 16:22

@Dochartaigh said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

@NanoS7 neogeo and CPS(123) will be the same as in the mame .175 romset as far as I know. i did manage to find a .39 fba romset, though :)

Unfortunately the exact .39/0.175 Romset you're talking about only has 1,519 out of the 4,374 roms the full 0.175 romset is supposed to have.

also i haven't checked my romset but i think it's a merged set, so it will have all of those roms, just merged. you can use clrmamepro to un-merge/split if you want.

Dochartaigh · 16 Nov 2016, 16:24

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

it's not a retropie decision - we don't write the emulators. FBA seem to sync their romset with current mame every release.

I know, it's just a shame don't you think?

If I can EVER get ClrmamePro to work with upgrading the romset I will post directions (that actually work!) to this forum! ...as I assume most of us have 0.173 which is easily found on the internet.

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

also i haven't checked my romset but i think it's a merged set, so it will have all of those roms, just merged. you can use clrmamepro to un-merge/split if you want.

Good point - I will double check that. I know we both have the same exact 0.175 romset. But I know I did check a couple of the ROMS against the Goggle docs spreadsheet, and even when renaming the parent to the name of the ?sibling? like you're supposed to do in a non-merged set to get the exact rom you want to play, then pushing it to the Pi to try out, it wasn't working for me (but I could have very well screwed it up as MAME is new-ish to me). I'll bring the romset to work where I have access to a PC and try another tutorial on how to unmerge the set with ClrmamePro, if possible.

dankcushions · 16 Nov 2016, 16:36

@Dochartaigh said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

it's not a retropie decision - we don't write the emulators. FBA seem to sync their romset with current mame every release.

I know, it's just a shame don't you think?

If I can EVER get ClrmamePro to work with upgrading the romset I will post directions (that actually work!) to this forum! ...as I assume most of us have 0.173 which is easily found on the internet.

i can't speak for anyone else, but i got my .39 FBA set from the same place i got my .38 set when that was released. the .38 set eventually appeared at another commonly used site as an unmerged 'reference set' and I expect the .39 set to be the same. you have to be patient, or not update your retropie :)

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

also i haven't checked my romset but i think it's a merged set, so it will have all of those roms, just merged. you can use clrmamepro to un-merge/split if you want.

I know we both have the same exact 0.175 romset and unfortunately I'm pretty sure (can double check when I get home), that it's still missing a bunch - even if it is a merged set. Of the ones I'm missing I know I checked the Goggle Doc spreadsheet and they were listed as being in the set but weren't in the downloaded files.

a merged set means that one zip file (sf2.zip for example) will contain all the files needed for the various clones, rather than each clone having a seperate .zip. you couldn't tell by looking at the spreadsheet and the files - you'd need to look at the dat, or use clrmamepro to un-merge them.

i am pretty sure mine is merged as the filesize was similar to .38, but i will confirm later.

Dochartaigh · 16 Nov 2016, 16:39

@dankcushions said in Many previously working Final Burn Alpha games no longer boot up after 4.1 update.:

a merged set means that one zip file (sf2.zip for example) will contain all the files needed for the various clones, rather than each clone having a seperate .zip. you couldn't tell by looking at the spreadsheet and the files - you'd need to look at the dat, or use clrmamepro to un-merge them.

i am pretty sure mine is merged as the filesize was similar to .38, but i will confirm later.

yup, I was refining my post as you posted this, but I did previously try the normal thing of changing the parent .zip file name to the child?sibling? rom name I wanted to play and that didn't work (unless RetroPi on the Raspberry Pi handles this differently? I usually use non-merged sets to avoid confusion). Will definitely try again and try to convert to a non-merged set.

silentq · 17 Nov 2016, 03:31

@Dochartaigh Just a tip not sure if tried this but the way I got CPS2 games especially and most other is through the update packs. The thing the with the update packs is they only include the files missing from the current rom you have althrough the have the same name, this is where the confusion was for me. Take a CPS2 game like sf2.zip for example you will see in one of the update packs(I believe its the .177 to .178) an sf2.zip file. In that file it will only contain the .key file needed for the rom to work in .39 FBA. All you need to do if you have winrar is drag the key file inside the update packs version of sf2.zip into the old version of sf2.zip. Place the combined file into your Pi and bam it should work. It seems to be mostly CPS2 games so that should be able to help you filter down, I have found old versions of CPS1 and even CPS3 work totally fine in .39.

NanoS7 · 18 Nov 2016, 13:29

I got some CPS roms .39 from a site, and now works perfect on Retropie 4.1!! sfa2, mvsc, sfIII, etc. The site have only individual rom download. I will wait for entire .39 romset torrent.

allenpie · 18 Nov 2016, 17:06

I have ran into so many issues with these rom set. It's really the fault of all these rom sites not listing the games or sets correctly or having different bios versions that work with different games and sets. It is very confusing.

I did it the sucker way by changing out roms and bios till I got most working.