FBA vs. MAME
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@mediamogul Mainly its speed issue, as mame2003 is not well optimized for "newer" titles and Neo Geo emulation. Same thing like the CPS-2, why we need FBA. I didn't test much myself, have to admit here. Maybe its an obsolete statement and it was true for older pi systems?
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@thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:
Maybe its an obsolete statement and it was true for older pi systems?
Ah, good call sir. You may have just nailed it. I've personally never had a problem with Neo Geo games or CPS on any of the available emulation options in RetroPie, so I've been wondering about this for some time.
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@Pussyfoot a general question:
I made my lists above based on your lists on optimal core for MAME games, but it seems some games are not included. Take this week's ROW: Space Panic (panic.zip), this should be part of the MAME2003 romset, but it's not part of these lists. Why is that? What are the lists based on? -
I think this is due to having thousands of games to be tested out. If you have any games that are not on the list and you've personally tried it, you can contribute to the list. :)
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Hi !
If anyone is interested in testing a hundred games, here is a list of "classics" that are missing from the current list. I'll try them when I'm done with my current project.
Can we just say NeoGeo games are better with FBA "by default" ? Or is it more case-by-case ?
rom title 1943kai 1943 Kai: Midway Kaisen (Japan) 720 720 Degrees (rev 4) airwolf Airwolf avsp Alien vs Predator (940520 Euro) arknoid2 Arkanoid - Revenge of DOH (World) aof Art of Fighting / Ryuuko no Ken (NGM-044)(NGH-044) aof2 Art of Fighting 2 / Ryuuko no Ken 2 (NGM-056) aof3 Art of Fighting 3 - The Path of the Warrior / Art of Fighting - Ryuuko no Ken Gaiden bionicc Bionic Commando (Euro) bublbobl Bubble Bobble (Japan, Ver 0.1) dino Cadillacs & Dinosaurs (930201 etc) captcomm Captain Commando (911202 other country) chasehq Chase H.Q. (World) commando Commando (World) darius Darius (World) dstlk Darkstalkers - the night warriors (940705 Euro) ddragon Double Dragon (Japan) ddragon2 Double Dragon II - The Revenge (World) ddsom Dungeons & Dragons - shadow over mystara (960619 Euro) ddtod Dungeons & Dragons - tower of doom (940412 Euro) fantzn2 Fantasy Zone II - The Tears of Opa-Opa (MC-8123, 317-0057) fatfury1 Fatal Fury - King of Fighters / Garou Densetsu - shukumei no tatakai (NGM-033)(NGH-033) fatfury2 Fatal Fury 2 / Garou Densetsu 2 - arata-naru tatakai (NGM-047)(NGH-047) fatfury3 Fatal Fury 3 - Road to the Final Victory / Garou Densetsu 3 - haruka-naru tatakai (NGM-069)(NGH-069) fatfursp Fatal Fury Special / Garou Densetsu Special (set 1)(NGM-058)(NGH-058) ffight Final Fight (World, set 1) garou Garou - Mark of the Wolves (NGM-2530) gng Ghosts'n Goblins (World? set 1) ghouls Ghouls'n Ghosts (World) gloc G-LOC Air Battle (World) gunsmoke Gun.Smoke (World, 851115) offroad Ironman Ivan Stewart's Super Off-Road jojoba JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage for the Future / JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Mirai e no Isan (Japan 990927) kotm King of the Monsters (set 1) kotm2 King of the Monsters 2 - The Next Thing (NGM-039)(NGH-039) lbowling League Bowling (NGM-019)(NGH-019) msword Magic Sword - heroic fantasy (25.07.1990 other country) magdrop2 Magical Drop II magdrop3 Magical Drop III marble Marble Madness (set 1) mshvsf Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter (970625 Euro) mvsc Marvel vs Capcom - clash of super heroes (980123 Euro) mercs Mercs (900302 etc) mslug Metal Slug - Super Vehicle-001 mslug2 Metal Slug 2 - Super Vehicle-001/II (NGM-2410) (NGH-2410) mslug3 Metal Slug 3 (NGM-2560) mslug4 Metal Slug 4 (NGM-2630) mslug5 Metal Slug 5 (NGM-2680) mslugx Metal Slug X - Super Vehicle-001 (NGM-2500)(NGH-2500) mwalk Michael Jackson's Moonwalker (set 3, World, FD1094/8751 317-0159) neodrift Neo Drift Out - New Technology turfmast Neo Turf Masters / Big Tournament Golf neogeo NeoGeo BIOS orunners OutRunners (World) polepos Pole Position (World) polepos2 Pole Position II (Japan) pbobble4 Puzzle Bobble 4 (Ver 2.04O 1997/12/19) rampart Rampart (Trackball) rastan Rastan (World Rev 1) roadblst Road Blasters (upright, rev 4) rtype R-Type (World) samsho Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits (NGM-045) samsho2 Samurai Shodown II / Shin Samurai Spirits - Haohmaru jigokuhen (NGM-063)(NGH-063) samsho3 Samurai Shodown III / Samurai Spirits - Zankurou Musouken (NGM-087) samsho4 Samurai Shodown IV - Amakusa's Revenge / Samurai Spirits - Amakusa Kourin (NGM-222)(NGH-222) samsho5 Samurai Shodown V / Samurai Spirits Zero (NGM-2700) svc SNK vs. Capcom - SVC Chaos (NGM-2690)(NGH-2690) invadpt2 Space Invaders Part II (Taito) sfa Street Fighter Alpha - warriors' dreams (950727 Euro) sfa2 Street Fighter Alpha 2 (960229 Euro) sfa3 Street Fighter Alpha 3 (980904 Euro) sf2ce Street Fighter II' - Champion Edition (street fighter 2' 920513 etc) sf2hf Street Fighter II' - Hyper Fighting (street fighter 2' T 921209 ETC) sf2 Street Fighter II - The World Warrior (910522 etc) sfiii3 Street Fighter III 3rd Strike: Fight for the Future (Euro 990608) sfiii Street Fighter III: New Generation (Euro 970204) spf2t Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo (Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo 960529 Euro) ssf2 Super Street Fighter II - the new challengers (super street fighter 2 931005 etc) rbtapper Tapper (Root Beer) tmnt Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (World 4 Players, version X) kof2000 The King of Fighters 2000 (NGM-2570) (NGH-2570) kof2001 The King of Fighters 2001 (NGM-262?) kof2002 The King of Fighters 2002 (NGM-2650)(NGH-2650) kof2003 The King of Fighters 2003 (NGM-2710) kof94 The King of Fighters '94 (NGM-055)(NGH-055) kof95 The King of Fighters '95 (NGM-084) kof96 The King of Fighters '96 (NGM-214) kof97 The King of Fighters '97 (NGM-2320) kof98 The King of Fighters '98 - The Slugfest / King of Fighters '98 - dream match never ends (NGM-2420) kof99 The King of Fighters '99 - Millennium Battle (NGM-2510) lastblad The Last Blade / Bakumatsu Roman - Gekka no Kenshi (NGM-2340) lastbld2 The Last Blade 2 / Bakumatsu Roman - Dai Ni Maku Gekka no Kenshi (NGM-2430)(NGH-2430) punisher The Punisher (930422 etc) tron Tron (8/9) turbo Turbo (program 1513-1515) twinspri Twinkle Star Sprites vanguard Vanguard (SNK) wjammers Windjammers / Flying Power Disc wbml Wonder Boy in Monster Land (Japan New Ver., MC-8123, 317-0043) xevious Xevious (Namco) xmcota X-Men - children of the atom (950331 Euro) xmvsf X-Men vs Street Fighter (961004 Euro) -
@cosmo0 I tested many of these games and have them running here. But I don't know when a game is fully tested to be sure its working. Did you see the compatibility Lists from Documentation?
https://retropie.org.uk/docs/Arcade/
Here direct links to the lists
Mame2003:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LP1MELCvcxu7TfiowF_0ZuvRVEMqlfQyTVetnOJvuJc/edit?usp=sharing
FBA:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GaqIIoiWbzKHwZ52S2xCSDQXILo81Ls1mHK6czKGAtM/edit?usp=sharing -
@cosmo0 said in FBA vs. MAME:
Can we just say NeoGeo games are better with FBA "by default" ? Or is it more case-by-case ?
i would guess that both mame2003 and fba do neogeo perfectly, but fba supports the full catalog plus hacks (i believe mame2003 doesn't have all the KOF games, for example), so i just use that.
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@thelostsoul I thought this thread was about "best system", not "working system" ? For games that work on both FBA and MAME, to determine which one has the best emulation ?
Because if it's just to list games that work in one but not the other, I already have these: games working in FBA but not MAME2003 and games working in MAME2003 but not FBA.@dankcushions yeah it looks like MAME2003 doesn't have KOF2003/2003, Metal Slug 4/5, Samurai Shodown 5, and SNK vs Capcom (among a bunch of prototypes, bootlegs and demos), but MAME2003 has a very small number of clones that FBA doesn't.
So I'm guessing "all NeoGeo games are best used with FBA" can be used as a general statement. -
@cosmo0 my bad, I forgot what about this thread was. I'm just curious. how do you guys test both versions and determine which works better?
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@cosmo0 Neogeo, cps1-2 are best on lr-fbalpha. I'm not sure if the minor sound bugs in Kizuna Encounter and maybe others were ever fixed in lr-fbalpha2012 but I retired my pi2 to bother with that older emulator.
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rtype.zip works (for me, at least - see 'discussion' earlier) best in mame2003.
tapper.zip (Budweiser version - the one and only) works best in mame2010. In fact, it's the only version I ever got working.I don't understand that you say these games are missing on the lists. My lists above contain many of these games, and they're based on @Pussyfoot 's lists.
I also use fba generally for NeoGeo games. It just seems to work all the way for me.
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I remember reading fba was the recommended neogeo emulator for speedrun, i guess it means it is supposed to be the most accurate for neogeo.
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@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:
tapper.zip (Budweiser version - the one and only) works best in mame2010.
All Bally Midway MCR System titles, including 'Tapper', should now be fully functional through lr-mame2003 as well thanks to this recent update. AdvanceMAME will run them as well. I love 'Tapper'. It makes the player deal with multitasking in such a fun and addictive way that it almost feels like a falling block puzzle game.
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@cosmo0 said in FBA vs. MAME:
yeah it looks like MAME2003 doesn't have KOF2003/2003, Metal Slug 4/5, Samurai Shodown 5, and SNK vs Capcom (among a bunch of prototypes, bootlegs and demos),
Some of these are now in mame2003-plus. Testers very welcome.
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@andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:
I don't understand that you say these games are missing on the lists. My lists above contain many of these games, and they're based on @Pussyfoot 's lists.
I didn't see your lists... :( I only saw UDB23 Excel file...
Thanks, I'll make sure to update my list for any missing game :)
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@thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:
@cosmo0 my bad, I forgot what about this thread was. I'm just curious. how do you guys test both versions and determine which works better?
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@thelostsoul said in FBA vs. MAME:
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mame2003 has has sound timing update fixes please re check any games that the was issues with on the sound sound speed . Mame2003+ will have the right tempo set as for robocop and other games
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So, new list for still-missing classics, based on the lists found here:
mame: https://pastebin.com/2UTySn6L
fba: https://pastebin.com/tUMb5CsR
advancemame: https://pastebin.com/2eaqNxGFI will try to test these games.
@thelostsoul : I have no idea how I'll declare one emulator the best one. I'm guessing it's a matter of speed and bugs first, then personal preference.rom title 720 720 Degrees (rev 4) 1943kai 1943 Kai: Midway Kaisen (Japan) airwolf Airwolf arknoid2 Arkanoid - Revenge of DOH (World) bionicc Bionic Commando (Euro) bublbobl Bubble Bobble (Japan, Ver 0.1) fantzn2 Fantasy Zone II - The Tears of Opa-Opa (MC-8123, 317-0057) gng Ghosts'n Goblins (World? set 1) gradius4 Gradius IV: Fukkatsu (ver JAC) gt2k Golden Tee 2K (v1.00) invadpt2 Space Invaders Part II (Taito) jojoba JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage for the Future / JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken: Mirai e no Isan (Japan 990927) marble Marble Madness (set 1) mk4 Mortal Kombat 4 (version 3.0) mshu Marvel Super Heroes (951024 USA) nbapbp NBA Play By Play (ver JAA) offroad Ironman Ivan Stewart's Super Off-Road orunners OutRunners (World) pbobble4 Puzzle Bobble 4 (Ver 2.04O 1997/12/19) polepos Pole Position (World) polepos2 Pole Position II (Japan) rampart Rampart (Trackball) rbtapper Tapper (Root Beer) roadblst Road Blasters (upright, rev 4) rtype R-Type (World) sf2 Street Fighter II - The World Warrior (910522 etc) sf2ce Street Fighter II' - Champion Edition (street fighter 2' 920513 etc) tron Tron (8/9) turbo Turbo (program 1513-1515) vanguard Vanguard (SNK) wbml Wonder Boy in Monster Land (Japan New Ver., MC-8123, 317-0043) xevious Xevious (Namco) -
Edit: Figured it out. I was using a split set instead of non-merged.
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@sub_atomic said in FBA vs. MAME:
vspu.zip from FBA 0.2.97.42 does not work in lr-fbalpha.
The DAT file for .43 is available; have you checked the ROM with it ?
.43 FBA release notes mention that ROMs have been synced with newer Mame sets.
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