Playstation Classic Mini System

ruckage

@flyingtomahawk said in Playstation Classic Mini System:

Another xxxxx mini or xxxxxx classic
yawn bored...

I kind of understand but I still get a little bit excited when these are announced - if only because they look cute. Having said that I'm less excited for the mini version of the PS1 as I don't think many of the games have aged well (doubly so for when the inevitable N64 mini is announced) and there was already a mini version of the playstation called the PS One which was equally cute. I don't think these classic consoles are really aimed at us though.

And why are none of these companies adding an SD slot and selling additional game packs. It would extend the life of the console and provide extra revenue for the company. Seems like a missed opportunity to me.

lilbud

@ruckage people think that this is just a repurposed PSTV, and I wouldn't put it past Sony.

I feel like not having expandable storage works in their favor. Because instead of putting out a new game pack, they can just put out a whole new "classic" system.

Though give it sometime and this thing will be hacked. The dev behind the SNES Mini hack has plans to hack this as well. So once fans have expandable storage mods, then I feel that this will be a nice thing to pick up off the clearance shelf.

ruckage

@lilbud
Absolutely, I'm certain it will be hacked. And I agree there business model is probably just to sell new units with different games.

I still think it would have been far more interesting to actually have games for sale and on the cartridge based systems they could have even had miniature versions of the carts, people would have loved that.
Nintendo could have done a whole amiibo tie in with a character model from a game packaged with a working cart for the nes/snes classic. Collectors would have lapped that up.

lilbud

@ruckage said in Playstation Classic Mini System:

I still think it would have been far more interesting to actually have games for sale and on the cartridge based systems they could have even had miniature versions of the carts, people would have loved that.

Selling actual mini carts for these systems kinda goes against the market they are targeting. They go after the people who don't want all that trouble, they just want a plug and play system that is ready to go. If people wanted carts, then they can just go get a pre-owned system or use their original.

If the games were for sale individually, here is how it would most likely work:

Company announces plans to sell little carts to play more games.
The games come out in a drip feed, around once a month, and it's never the games people want. It will end up being the games people have bought 45 times (Mario 1, Zelda 1, DK, etc.)
Rinse wash and repeat with a whole new "classics" system.

ruckage

@lilbud
While I imagine Nintendo definitely would go with the 1 game per cart I was thinking more of each cart being a compilation of games. The system itself could still come with built in games. Most people wouldn't buy an older system as getting the games can be difficult and often expensive these days and the picture often isn't great on an HD TV.

The cart idea is more suited as something for collectors for which I think there would definitely be a market. Not going to happen though, just something I personally like the idea of.

thelostsoul

@lilbud said in Playstation Classic Mini System:

Selling actual mini carts for these systems kinda goes against the market they are targeting. They go after the people who don't want all that trouble, they just want a plug and play system that is ready to go. If people wanted carts, then they can just go get a pre-owned system or use their original.

Yes, but the old consoles are not great on actual TVs with HDMI. Now, imagine the Classic Mini could play those original cartridges on modern TV.

ruckage

@thelostsoul said in Playstation Classic Mini System:

Yes, but the old consoles are not great on actual TVs with HDMI. Now, imagine the Classic Mini could play those original cartridges on modern TV.

You can actually do that now with an addon:

BobHarris

I also think they could come with a new console next year: A tinier version of the Playstation One. That way they can now concentrate on the early PS1 games that don't use analog control / rumble and next year provide a mini console with games that do use it.

I had pre ordered the PS classic, but cancelled it already. I just can't justify the 100 euros. My Pi 3 does literally everything better, so all I'd buy it for would be the cute little PS1 box. (And 1 other reason: I've read here about several people getting stuck on Final Fantasy VII on Retropie when going from the 2nd to 3rd disc..I'm scared to start on my Pi and eventually risk getting stuck 50-60 hours into the game. :') )

Would be cool though if they advertised the mini with a commercial like this again:

space cadet

Man check out the prices on ebay for the ps1 classic now! Prices are already thru the roof!

BobHarris

https://www.polygon.com/2018/10/29/18037502/playstation-classic-game-list-final-metal-gear-grand-theft-auto-final-fantasy

Full list revealed.

Imo of this list only Final Fantasy VII, Wild arms, Metal Gear Solid, Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee and Resident Evil Director’s Cut are worthy of a spot on the Mini (when limiting yourself to just 20 games). I would replace all other games with something else. I'm glad I use a Pi so I won't have to deal with a console that won't let you play all the great games from your youth.

I saw a video on Youtube of two guys making a system to decide which games belong on the mini: Games could score points on number of sales, aggregated review score, user review score. Their list looks nothing like this. I don't know how they came up with these 20 games. Of course thet excluded all games with licensing issues, so they could only pick the ones already available on PSN. And then it feels like they just grabbed some games on there, without giving it much thought.

thelostsoul

@BobHarris There are off course some titles we probably wouldn't play much and enjoy, but they are big part of the lineup and image of the first Playstation. In example Toshinden isn't a good game and it didn't aged well too on top of that. But I would prefer these games to be included. The problem here is, the limit of 20 titles. In fact, the list is pretty good in my opinion. There is almost everything, Destruction Derby, Final Fantasy 7, Rayman, GTA, Resident Evil and such classics. I think this list is better than the SNES Mini has.

But, still no Chrono Trigger. I don't understand.

BobHarris

@thelostsoul I only bought games in the 90s that scored an 8 or higher in the Official UK Playstation magazine. I remember many games on this list scoring lower than that. Games like Tomb raider 2, Destruction derby 2, Crash bandicoot 3, Wipeout 2097, Alundra, Abe's exoddus, Street fighter alpha 2 or 3, Bushido blade, Doom, Castlevania SOTN, Silent hill, Resident evil 2, Final fantasy VIII and IX, and Tactics and many more should be on there. Those are all true classics that are still very playable today.

Of course it's all personal preference...probably somebody out there is very excited that Mr. Driller is on the list.

Big chance it gets hacked and then everyone can get their own nostalgic highs.

mitu

@thelostsoul said in Playstation Classic Mini System:

But, still no Chrono Trigger. I don't understand.

Probably they didn't reach an agreement with Square Enix for it. Given they (Square) just re-released it on Steam, I guess they don't want to give it 'for free' with the mini.

Clyde

So, let's count … there are 8 games I owned back then, if only in another version, e.g. Tekken 1+2 instead of 3. Then there are 3 games I look forward to try for the first time, 2 I'm not interested in at all, the rest is unknown to me. So I would call this a good deal for me, although I miss three favourites of mine: Need for Speed 1 (great 2P split screen fun), Warhawk, and most of all Wipeout! 😭 I can only suspect legal reasons for the latter, because I can't believe that they would omit such an iconic title for the PS1. Well, at least we have Ridge Racer.

And I may finally get to finish FF VII, which I stopped playing shortly after getting to CD 3 … for whatever reasons. 😒

lilbud

Missing so many good games.

FFIX

THPS 1 - 3

FF Tactics

Symphony of the Night (Though probably due to low effort port on ps4)

Crash and Spyro (Also probably due to remakes)

What the hell is Mr Driller and Intelligent Cube? Or Gran Turismo?

Clyde

@lilbud said in Playstation Classic Mini System:

What the hell is Mr Driller and Intelligent Cube? Or Gran Turismo?

Where do you see Gran Turismo on the two lists? Or is that another wanted titel from you?

BobHarris

@lilbud I actually played Intelligent cube when it came out. Basically all you have to do is blow up blocks to avoid being pushed of the edge. It had a good atmosphere, but I got bored of it quite quickly. Putting niche games like that on the Mini feels odd to me. I've never heard of Mr. Driller either. Maybe it's a strategy: put some games on there that nobody has heard of to make people curious.

A Former User

I wonder if Sony are having licensing issues regarding music tracks ?
Gran Turismo games, had lots of commercial music in them. Perhaps they couldn't get a license, or didn't think the cost of getting one was worth it for the price of the mini.
I wouldn't trade my original PSX for one, or even my Pi. But it looks great, for a mini.
HDMI, isn't going to look good for these old Playstation games. Many haven't aged well even on a CRT, so seeing them all crisp on a HDTV might put a few off. Newcomers, might like it.
I'll get one for the novelty, but it will be for show only.

BobHarris

@John_RM_70 I'm sure Sony will put smoothing and scanline options in there. Only the really early games (1995) still look bad then.

I bet Gran turismo is a nightmare..with all the songs and car brands in there.

thelostsoul

I also miss Gran Turismo 2. But I bet there was licensing issues for 500 (!) cars.
Btw, off course Final Fantasy Tactics and 9 are also essential games, but with a selection of 20 you can't fill it with JRPGs only. I wonder if the European version will have a different selection of games.