Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.

Folly

I did an update on my generator script, used in post_39 for "lr-mess (adam)"/"mame (adam)".
Now the roms can be started from the normal coleco rom directory.
BTW : You have to do a new adam install.

Folly

I updated the last part in the list.

Not expected, but really, we did a ton of work here ;-)

Now we can run quite some titles on the PI4.

I am quite satisfied now.
But If we want to, there are a few things that still can be done :

We can try to improve game specific controller setting for the problematic "coleco keypad" games (FBNeo)
add openMSX in RetroPie as an emulator for ColecoVision and ColecoVision_SGM
improve game compatibility for openMSX
improve the game compatibility for lr-mess/MAME

Nice, together we have done a really good job here !

Folly

@barbudreadmon

In the first post @AdamBeGood talked about Flappy.
It's a 32kb rom, but it seems it's not in the dat list.

5ac80811 flapee-byrd-2014.rom

Not sure, but I think there are much more missing.

Do I have to do some more checking for you ?

barbudreadmon

@folly "Flapee Byrd" added, feel free to suggest any other coleco game we are missing.

DTEAM

@folly said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

Not sure, but I think there are much more missing.

Flappe Byrd is in the Homebrew list
https://cvaddict.com/list.php?filter=3

but not in the filtred list for Super Game Module see:
https://cvaddict.com/list.php?filter=8

Folly

@dteam

We have done all SGM games already, I think.
So I was aware of fact that Flappy isn't an SGM one, because it's a 32kb rom.
I should have mentioned it before.

I added this because we want good support for all the games out there, not only sgm's
@barbudreadmon also added it like a homebrew only, so I think we are good, don't you think too ?

Folly

@barbudreadmon

I made some quick bash lines to check crc32 and the first word of a all games against the dat list.

I used these lines to check the roms against the online dat :
(cd to your rom directory first !)

online_dat=$(curl 'https://raw.githubusercontent.com/libretro/FBNeo/master/dats/FinalBurn%20Neo%20(ClrMame%20Pro%20XML%2C%20ColecoVision%20only).dat')
crc32 * | while read line; do if [[ -z $(echo $online_dat|grep $(echo $line|cut -d ' ' -f 1)) ]]; then echo $line; fi; done | while read line; do if [[ -z $(echo $online_dat|grep -i $(echo $line|cut -d ' ' -f 2|cut -d '-' -f 1)) ]]; then echo $line; fi; done

btw :I did not test these games one by one !

This is the list of possible games that aren't in the dat-list :
( I hope it's not toooo much for you 😊 )

👍 => added by @barbudreadmon
✔ => were already in the dat with different rom-sets

👍 b6254fc5 421-2002.rom -> 421
👍 39c5a7e9 bejeweled-2002.rom -> bejeweled
👍 b05fb3ec breakout-1999.rom -> breakout
👍 99f3cbc9 canadian-mini-games-2008.rom -> canamini
👍 1b3a8639 deflektor-kollection-2003.rom -> deflektor
👍 89875c52 flicky-2018.rom -> flicky
👍 5a6c2d2f insane-pickin-sticks-viii-2010.rom -> insanepick
👍 819a06e5 kevtris-1996.rom -> kevtris
👍 278c5021 klondike-solitaire-2021.rom -> ksolitaire
👍 f4314bb1 magical-tree-2006.rom -> magtree
👍 a60be082 mopiranger-2012.rom -> mopirang
👍 a82c9593 pacar-2017.rom -> pacar
👍 137d6c4c purple-dinosaur-massacre-1996.rom -> purpdino
👍 f7052b06 pyramid-warp-battleship-clapton-2-2009.rom -> pyrawbc2
👍 2331b6f6 reversi-and-diamond-dash-2004.rom -> reversdd
👍 570b9935 road-fighter-2007.rom -> roadfght
👍 23988ef9 search-for-the-stolen-crown-jewels-3-2013.rom -> sftscj3
👍 54d54968 sky-jaguar-2004.rom -> skyjag
👍 9a3b8587 smurfs-save-the-day-1985.rom -> smurfsav
👍 deed811e spunky-s-super-car-2014.rom -> spunkysc
👍 d642fb9e waterville-rescue-2009.rom -> watervil
👍 eaa5f606 winky-trap-2007.rom -> winktrap
👍 471240bb yie-ar-kung-fu-2005.rom -> yiear
👍 44e6948c zippy-race-2009.rom -> zippyrac

✔ 23a35399 squares-2008.rom
✔ 8afd7db2 root-beer-tapper-1984.rom

I picked these ones out manually :
👍 832586bf front-line-s-c-e-2015.rom -> frntlnsce
👍 af9b178c space-invasion-1998.rom -> spaceinvasion
👍 7f06e25c war-2014.rom -> war

✔ 546f2c54 mr-do-s-castle-1984.rom
✔ ef50e1c5 one-on-one-basketball-1984.rom

DTEAM

@folly
@barbudreadmon
@AdamBeGood
Thanks all, another new system on my Pi!

Folly

@dteam

Nice theme !

DTEAM

@folly
Hi Folly,
Could you copy your working lines into emulator.cfg for Lr-Mess and FBneo please.

It's fine !! Working well with Lr-Mess, MAME standalone, lr-FBneo and openMSX !!

DTEAM

@folly said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

FBNeo : 34/36 work

can only load from FBNeo rom-sets (with this setup)
using coleco num-pad key's can be an issue sometimes <---------------------

@barbudreadmon
Is there a way to set buttons in retroarch like this:

lr-Fbneo is one of my favorite emulator, but for Coleco it's not playable with the actual controller setup.

Am I wrong?

barbudreadmon

@dteam said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

Is there a way to set buttons in retroarch like this

You mean as default mapping ? Well, i've no strong attachment to current coleco default mapping, but is there any reason for this one to be better ?

DTEAM

@barbudreadmon said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

You mean as default mapping ?

No, that's fine I reset my retroarch file. Now It's seems ok. Sorry for that.

barbudreadmon

@folly said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

8afd7db2 root-beer-tapper-1984.rom
546f2c54 mr-do-s-castle-1984.rom
ef50e1c5 one-on-one-basketball-1984.rom

Those 3 are already supported, just different versions of the romsets (tapper, mrdo and 1on1). I added another bunch of coleco games today, i'll try to finish your list this week-end.

barbudreadmon

@folly i just finished that list

Folly

@barbudreadmon said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

@folly i just finished that list

Thank you for the lot of work you have done 😊
Very cool to see that we now have great support almost all games.
Perhaps I will some tests with other romsets too, but I think we are very good now.
When I have some time, I will convert my roms to FBNeo romsets to test them.

Folly

In this thread many coleco roms have been added to FBNeo.
I have made a small script that will convert all the these roms to fbneo rom-sets.

Perhaps it's not perfect, but it will work on most files.
Make sure you :

(always be sure you have backups)
update fbneo from source so the roms will work and the new dat-file can be used in this script
add coleco.rom,colecoa.rom,czz50.rom,svi603.rom to the rom directory
cd to your rom directory
check if crc32 is installed on your computer otherwise install it first (check with "crc32 *")

#make the directory fbneo_zips inside the rom directory
mkdir fbneo_zips
#list only the roms you want to convert and use every file to automate things
ls -w1 *.rom|grep -v coleco.rom|grep -v colecoa.rom|grep -v cczz50.rom|grep -v svi.rom|while read line
do 
#get the crc of the rom
crc=$(crc32 "$line")
#read the fbneo name from the dat using the crc if there is a match, with no match the string becomes empty
fbneo_name=$(cat '/opt/retropie/libretrocores/lr-fbneo/dats/FinalBurn Neo (ClrMame Pro XML, ColecoVision only).dat'|grep -B 4 $crc|grep "game name"| cut -d '"' -f 2)
#check if it isn't empty and output all the data and create the zip file
if [[ -n "$fbneo_name" ]];then
echo $crc $line $fbneo_name
zip fbneo_zips/$fbneo_name.zip "$line" coleco.rom colecoa.rom czz50.rom svi603.rom
fi
#until every file is done
done

Just copy and paste this in the terminal or make your own script file.
Good luck !

Edit :
Year 2025
Above script doesn't work any more, you can find the fixed one over here :
Post 13 : B how to build coleco romset for fbneo ?

mitu

@folly said in Colecovision Start-Up Error: Turn Game Off Before Inserting Cartridge or Expansion Module.:

#This file can be removed, it seems to be a temporary file created by zip
rm "fbneo_zips/.zip"

This is most likely a broken filename or stray newline that generates this, zip doesn't create any temporary .zip files.

Folly

@mitu

Thanks for the information ;-)

I made a small mistake.
I used a condition instead of an if function.
So the zip line used the empty strings and the not wanted strings also, therefor creating the not wanted .zip file.
I have updated the script, the problem should be solved now.

DTEAM

@folly
Hi folly , I didn't found an equivalent for fbneo (for those games)

Do you know if they exist?