Compatibility Problems/Help (New user)
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@Jiryn said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
@markwkidd @batesman
Odd, all the roms that I have already are MAME 0.164
As I said, only about 10% of them work though.. which seems weirdwhy would that be odd? there is no mame 0.164 emulator on retropie. that's like putting a playstation 4 game in your playstation 1 and expecting it to work :)
(the 10% of games that are working would be the minority of roms that happen to be unchanged in 15-odd years since the versions we use in retropie, and mame 0.164)
as instructed, forget about the set you have and acquire the correct set for the emulators in retropie. for example, MAME 0.78 romset will work in the /mame-libretro/ folder, running lr-mame2003.
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Piecemeal has never worked for me because there are so many individual roms are part of a split romset. On the Pi, you really need a full ROMSET of the exact version, even if what you have works on PC. The MAME version on Pi are pretty different for PC versions.
If you want more terminology, here is a good start: http://docs.mamedev.org/usingmame/aboutromsets.html
The basic example I like to give in Pac Man. It is actually a child of the Parent ROM puckman. In a normal split set, you need both romsets for Pacman to work, since the Pacman romset will only have it's differences.
If you have means to obtain a full romset, you can use a manager to build out specific roms, but then it because an issue of having time to learn the ROMmanager vs just adding a full romset to a Pi and using that time playing games.
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@Jiryn said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
only about 10% of them work though.. which seems weird
Have you read this:
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@dankcushions
I found it odd that 10% still worked is all, as you said it means the ROM file never changed over the years.
I got a few more to work, but one game I tried wouldn't respond to my inputs.It feels like it should be an all or nothing type of ordeal.
@mrbwa1
I got a few games to work just fine by only having the primary parent file and the version I was trying to play, other games I have the whole set and they still don't work.@rbaker
I'm still annoyed at how much trouble I am/was having with these roms and my ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject.I can't thank you all enough for working with me on this subject!
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@Jiryn said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
I'm still annoyed at how much trouble I am/was having with these roms
Even after reading the non-technical guide?
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@rbaker
Before the non technical guide I meant!
I guess it's more of a pride thing, seriously though I am grateful for your assistance. -
@Jiryn said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
@rbaker
Before the non technical guide I meant!
I guess it's more of a pride thing, seriously though I am grateful for your assistance.Don't feel bad. most of us were humbled by Arcade ROMS at first and a couple folks really stepped up and came up with the Wiki help Pages. At the end of the day, you just can't always easily mix and match like you can with individual games.
It didn't really click with me until I saw a history of General Computer Corporation and it detailed the story of a couple MIT guys who were making "Super Missile Attack" which was an add-on board for the Atari Missile Command arcade cabinet. Atari basically offered them jobs to keep them from selling the conversions, but didn't actually want the guys to do anything. The same guys developer Crazy Otto as an enhancement to Pac Man and managed to pitch it to Namco who bought out the rights and changed it to Ms. Pac Man.
MAME bundles all these conversions and add-ons in separate rom sets. From what I understand, you can actually burn specific ROM dumps to a new flash ROM chip to get a dead arcade board working, so instead of having a logical package of all game components, they are physical dumps of the various chips in an arcade cabinet.
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@mrbwa1
I've always prided myself on how adaptable I was to most computers and software.
(except for printers, I don't care how many degrees and certifications I have.. I hate printers)
I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one having trouble and was humbled by these Arcade Roms!
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@Jiryn said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
@mrbwa1
I've always prided myself on how adaptable I was to most computers and software.
(except for printers, I don't care how many degrees and certifications I have.. I hate printers)
I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one having trouble and was humbled by these Arcade Roms!
That actually makes me feel quite a bit better.Printers.... Yup, they are terrible. I have a fully rebuilt HP Laserjet 5N that I keep rebuilding because it works. I managed to underclock some old RAM, so I think it's like 128MB in there now (still can't render a PDF from Google Chrome in anything under 20 minutes, so I have to save and prit through a PDF reader). My original Raspberry Pi B+ is actually currently pressed into service to share the Laserjet on the network.... So the yellowed up old beast can directly Air Print from an iOS device without a fuss. Wish I could say the same about my Samsung Color Laser printer that can't even print the same colo from 2 PCs using the same OS.
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@Jiryn said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one having trouble
It took me quite a long time to transition from Mame32 and it's Windows GUI. I ended up turning to religion and found this in the pages of the holy forum. I certainly felt the vengeance.....
MAME 25:17
The route to frustration and madness is beset on all sides by the practices of the impatient and the resolve of lazy men. Blessed is he, who in the name of thoroughness and good instinct, follows directions, for he will truly find his answers and for those who do not I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and fuuuuuuurious anger those who would attempt to corrupt and destroy my installation with false romsets. And you will know my name is MAME when I lay my vengeance upon thee. -
@rbaker said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
@Jiryn said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one having trouble
It took me quite a long time to transition from Mame32 and it's Windows GUI. I ended up turning to religion and found this in the pages of the holy forum. I certainly felt the vengeance.....
MAME 25:17
The route to frustration and madness is beset on all sides by the practices of the impatient and the resolve of lazy men. Blessed is he, who in the name of thoroughness and good instinct, follows directions, for he will truly find his answers and for those who do not I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and fuuuuuuurious anger those who would attempt to corrupt and destroy my installation with false romsets. And you will know my name is MAME when I lay my vengeance upon thee.Bruh... :)
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Don't feel too bad. I started this journey just before Christmas. There is a lot to take in, I'm learning new things every day, and I still don't know much.
The one piece of advice I will offer you is this - Don't skim the wiki articles. Read that ish. Then, re-read that ish. Then, re-re-read it and look for other write ups about it. By doing so you will learn enough to be able to ask the right questions and that, my friend, is the key.
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Nevermind the questions, I just realized I've been reading versions #s wrong.
I literally was getting .37 and .138 confused, the later being more up to date from what I can tell? -
@Jiryn 0.138 more up to date, but not going to work on any mame emulators in retropie.
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@dankcushions
Yea, I realized I was totally overlooking the fact one had a 1 and one didn't...
Now I feel even more stupid.Lr-2010 seems to be able to run .139, but someone above said it's not as good?
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@Jiryn said in Compatibility Problems/Help (New user):
@dankcushions
Yea, I realized I was totally overlooking the fact one had a 1 and one didn't...
Now I feel even more stupid.Lr-2010 seems to be able to run .139, but someone above said it's not as good?
documentation: https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/MAME#lr-mame2010-on-github
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@dankcushions
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Ugh, feels like every time I make a step forward.. I get pushed back a couple feet...
So, I finally found sets which should work..... but they are in .7Z format.I know there are conversion tools, but will there be a loss of data between the conversion, and are there mass conversion tools, which will change an entire directly instead of one at a time...
Other than that, looks like I am ALMOST there.
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@Jiryn http://www.bitser.org/7z-file-converter-how-to.shtm or just get a .zip set.
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@columboscoat
As I said, one step forward.. two steps back!!!
I grabbed that, doesn't seem to be able to do conversions in mass (or I am missing something) worried about loss and corruption of data.I'll get this..
Thank you for all your links, help and advice..
And yes I know I am thanking you all too much, but it means a lot to me.
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