Sega model 3 #segamodel3

mechafatnick

@Folly Great work! Well done! that's tremendous stuff. Now we can bring Model 3 emulation to the masses.

@dteam
Picking stuff is a bit tricky because its intended for the full rotation of a sterring wheel :) you can try messing with your deadzone/saturation if you want. That might help:
add to the ini and play with the numbers (saturation reduced the far end of motion of your stick)
InputJoy[controller number]XDeadzone
InputJoy[controller number]YDeadzone
InputJoy[controller number]XSaturation
InputJoy[controller number]YSaturation

All controls have to go into the GLOBAL section. Some games let you configure the controls from the test menu too.

DTEAM

@mechafatnick
What is the range for deadzone or sensitivity (1-100?)

Some games let you configure the controls from the test menu too.

I'll try that also

That might help:

add to the ini and play with the numbers (saturation reduced the far end of motion of your stick)

InputJoy[controller number]XDeadzone

InputJoy[controller number]YDeadzone

InputJoy[controller number]XSaturation

InputJoy[controller number]YSaturation

This is a great idea

Now we can bring Model 3 emulation to the masses.

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NEW EDIT:I found this for Keyboard and mouse here . For Joystick they use none. I suppose I have to replace NONE by your lines? I'll try It and give you news about the performance of those settings. thanks again

Input System Settings

Input System: DirectInput

Keyboards:
System Keyboard
Mice:
System Mouse
Joysticks:
None

Common Keyboard Settings:
Sensitivity = 25 %
Decay Speed = 50 %
Common Mouse Settings:
X-Axis Dead Zone = 0 %
Y-Axis Dead Zone = 0 %
Z-Axis Dead Zone = 0 %

Folly

@dteam

You mean, for pasting inside the Supermodel.ini then it should be something like this :

; Common Keyboard Settings:
Sensitivity = 25 %
Decay Speed = 50 %
; Common Mouse Settings:
X-Axis Dead Zone = 0 %
Y-Axis Dead Zone = 0 %
Z-Axis Dead Zone = 0 %

DTEAM

@folly
honestly I don't know yet. I haven't tested it yet.
New edit: maybe we will have answers in Supermodel.log like for screen parameters. I don’t have my Pi for the next 4 days. I’ll test it monday.

Folly

@dteam said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

@folly
honestly I don't know yet. I haven't tested it yet.
New edit: maybe we will have answers in Supermodel.log like for screen parameters. I don’t have my Pi for the next 4 days. I’ll test it monday.

Ok then we wait a while.

I did put it in the Supermodel.ini.
The log only complained about the comments that have no ";".
So that is why I added them.

I tried a bit, the setting seems to work a bit.
Steering seems to be a bit less sensitive, which is good !

Edit :
Choosing the menu items is still a problem.
I think this is due to the fact that the keyboard is basically emulating an analog steering wheel in a digital way.
I will try some stuff if I can.

mechafatnick

@folly Yeah, My defult pad is the retrobit Saturn one, and i was never able to get analogie-digital to work very well.

I have a knock-off PS3 pad and the analogue controls work great. I made it all the way through the Lost World

Folly

@mechafatnick said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

@folly Yeah, My defult pad is the retrobit Saturn one, and i was never able to get analogie-digital to work very well.

Digital always goes to "full left" 00h, "middle" 80h or "full right" FFh (see input test).
No values in between, that is needed to select the proper menu.
I don't see much difference in the test menu if I set Sensitivity and Decay Speed.

The analog part works also with my "O BIGBEN Joystick".

mechafatnick

@folly if you look in the ini you have the axis to setting to set the analogue mapping and then joystick up/down/left/right which is supposed to be for controlling things digitally. I've never got it to work properly though.

(not that i've put a massive amount of effort in. Turns out the sking game us my favourite!)

DTEAM

@mechafatnick said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

I've never got it to work properly though.

It works well if you set InputAnalogJoyX and InputAnalogJoyY to NONE.

InputAnalogJoyLeft = JOY1_ZAXIS_POS
InputAnalogJoyRight = JOY1_ZAXIS_NEG
InputAnalogJoyUp = JOY1_RXAXIS_POS
InputAnalogJoyDown = JOY1_RXAXIS_NEG
InputAnalogJoyX = NONE
InputAnalogJoyY = NONE

Z or RX axis could be different. depends on the gamepad used

mechafatnick

@dteam Yeah you have to be a little careful as some of the controls sound generic but are actually for specific games:

the master ini file has comments for which control goes with each game - it's a shame it doesn't add them into the one used for the emulator:

; 4-way digital joysticks
InputJoyUp = "KEY_UP,JOY1_UP"
InputJoyDown = "KEY_DOWN,JOY1_DOWN"
InputJoyLeft = "KEY_LEFT,JOY1_LEFT"
InputJoyRight = "KEY_RIGHT,JOY1_RIGHT"
InputJoyUp2 = "JOY2_UP"
InputJoyDown2 = "JOY2_DOWN"
InputJoyLeft2 = "JOY2_LEFT"
InputJoyRight2 = "JOY2_RIGHT"

; Fighting game buttons
InputPunch = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
InputKick = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
InputGuard = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
InputEscape = "KEY_F,JOY1_BUTTON4"
InputPunch2 = "JOY2_BUTTON1"
InputKick2 = "JOY2_BUTTON2"
InputGuard2 = "JOY2_BUTTON3"
InputEscape2 = "JOY2_BUTTON4"

; Spikeout buttons
InputShift = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
InputBeat = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
InputCharge = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
InputJump = "KEY_F,JOY1_BUTTON4"

; Virtua Striker buttons
InputShortPass = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
InputLongPass = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
InputShoot = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
InputShortPass2 = "JOY2_BUTTON1"
InputLongPass2 = "JOY2_BUTTON2"
InputShoot2 = "JOY2_BUTTON3"

; Steering wheel
InputSteeringLeft = "KEY_LEFT"      ; digital, turn wheel left
InputSteeringRight = "KEY_RIGHT"    ; digital, turn wheel right
InputSteering = "JOY1_XAXIS"        ; analog, full steering range

; Pedals
InputAccelerator = "KEY_UP,JOY1_UP"
InputBrake = "KEY_DOWN,JOY1_DOWN"

; Up/down shifter manual transmission (all racers)
InputGearShiftUp = "KEY_Y"           ; sequential shift up
InputGearShiftDown = "KEY_H"         ; sequential shift down

; 4-Speed manual transmission (Daytona 2, Sega Rally 2, Scud Race)
InputGearShift1 = "KEY_Q,JOY1_BUTTON5"
InputGearShift2 = "KEY_W,JOY1_BUTTON6"
InputGearShift3 = "KEY_E,JOY1_BUTTON7"
InputGearShift4 = "KEY_R,JOY1_BUTTON8"
InputGearShiftN = "KEY_T"

; VR4 view change buttons (Daytona 2, Le Mans 24, Scud Race)
InputVR1 = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
InputVR2 = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
InputVR3 = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
InputVR4 = "KEY_F,JOY1_BUTTON4"

; Single view change button (Dirt Devils, ECA, Harley-Davidson, Sega Rally 2)
InputViewChange = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"

; Handbrake (Dirt Devils, Sega Rally 2)
InputHandBrake = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"

; Harley-Davidson controls
InputRearBrake = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
InputMusicSelect = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"

; Virtual On macros
InputTwinJoyTurnLeft = "KEY_Q,JOY1_RXAXIS_NEG"
InputTwinJoyTurnRight = "KEY_W,JOY1_RXAXIS_POS"
InputTwinJoyForward = "KEY_UP,JOY1_YAXIS_NEG"
InputTwinJoyReverse = "KEY_DOWN,JOY1_YAXIS_POS"
InputTwinJoyStrafeLeft = "KEY_LEFT,JOY1_XAXIS_NEG"
InputTwinJoyStrafeRight = "KEY_RIGHT,JOY1_XAXIS_POS"
InputTwinJoyJump = "KEY_E,JOY1_BUTTON1"
InputTwinJoyCrouch = "KEY_R,JOY1_BUTTON2"

; Virtual On individual joystick mapping
InputTwinJoyLeft1 = "NONE"
InputTwinJoyLeft2 = "NONE"
InputTwinJoyRight1 = "NONE"
InputTwinJoyRight2 = "NONE"
InputTwinJoyUp1 = "NONE"
InputTwinJoyUp2 = "NONE"
InputTwinJoyDown1 = "NONE"
InputTwinJoyDown2 = "NONE"

; Virtual On buttons
InputTwinJoyShot1 = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON5"
InputTwinJoyShot2 = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON6"
InputTwinJoyTurbo1 = "KEY_Z,JOY1_BUTTON7"
InputTwinJoyTurbo2 = "KEY_X,JOY1_BUTTON8"

; Analog joystick (Star Wars Trilogy)
InputAnalogJoyLeft = "KEY_LEFT"             ; digital, move left
InputAnalogJoyRight = "KEY_RIGHT"           ; digital, move right
InputAnalogJoyUp = "KEY_UP"                 ; digital, move up
InputAnalogJoyDown = "KEY_DOWN"             ; digital, move down
InputAnalogJoyX = "JOY_XAXIS,MOUSE_XAXIS"   ; analog, full X axis
InputAnalogJoyY = "JOY_YAXIS,MOUSE_YAXIS"   ; analog, full Y axis
InputAnalogJoyTrigger = "KEY_A,JOY_BUTTON1,MOUSE_LEFT_BUTTON"
InputAnalogJoyEvent = "KEY_S,JOY_BUTTON2,MOUSE_RIGHT_BUTTON"
InputAnalogJoyTrigger2 = "KEY_D,JOY_BUTTON2"
InputAnalogJoyEvent2 = "NONE"

; Light guns (Lost World)
InputGunLeft = "KEY_LEFT"               ; digital, move gun left
InputGunRight = "KEY_RIGHT"             ; digital, move gun right
InputGunUp = "KEY_UP"                   ; digital, move gun up
InputGunDown = "KEY_DOWN"               ; digital, move gun down
InputGunX = "MOUSE_XAXIS,JOY1_XAXIS"    ; analog, full X axis
InputGunY = "MOUSE_YAXIS,JOY1_YAXIS"    ; analog, full Y axis
InputTrigger = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1,MOUSE_LEFT_BUTTON"
InputOffscreen = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2,MOUSE_RIGHT_BUTTON"    ; point off-screen
InputAutoTrigger = 0                    ; automatic reload when off-screen
InputGunLeft2 = "NONE"
InputGunRight2 = "NONE"
InputGunUp2 = "NONE"
InputGunDown2 = "NONE"
InputGunX2 = "JOY2_XAXIS"
InputGunY2 = "JOY2_YAXIS"
InputTrigger2 = "JOY2_BUTTON1"
InputOffscreen2 = "JOY2_BUTTON2"
InputAutoTrigger2 = 0

; Analog guns (Ocean Hunter, LA Machineguns)
InputAnalogGunLeft = "KEY_LEFT"               ; digital, move gun left
InputAnalogGunRight = "KEY_RIGHT"             ; digital, move gun right
InputAnalogGunUp = "KEY_UP"                   ; digital, move gun up
InputAnalogGunDown = "KEY_DOWN"               ; digital, move gun down
InputAnalogGunX = "MOUSE_XAXIS,JOY1_XAXIS"    ; analog, full X axis
InputAnalogGunY = "MOUSE_YAXIS,JOY1_YAXIS"    ; analog, full Y axis
InputAnalogTriggerLeft = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1,MOUSE_LEFT_BUTTON"
InputAnalogTriggerRight = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2,MOUSE_RIGHT_BUTTON"
InputAnalogGunLeft2 = "NONE"
InputAnalogGunRight2 = "NONE"
InputAnalogGunUp2 = "NONE"
InputAnalogGunDown2 = "NONE"
InputAnalogGunX2 = "NONE"
InputAnalogGunY2 = "NONE"
InputAnalogTriggerLeft2 = "NONE"
InputAnalogTriggerRight2 = "NONE"

; Ski Champ controls
InputSkiLeft = "KEY_LEFT"
InputSkiRight = "KEY_RIGHT"
InputSkiUp = "KEY_UP"
InputSkiDown = "KEY_DOWN"
InputSkiX = "JOY1_XAXIS"
InputSkiY = "JOY1_YAXIS"
InputSkiPollLeft = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
InputSkiPollRight = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
InputSkiSelect1 = "KEY_Q,JOY1_BUTTON3"
InputSkiSelect2 = "KEY_W,JOY1_BUTTON4"
InputSkiSelect3 = "KEY_E,JOY1_BUTTON5"

; Magical Truck Adventure controls
InputMagicalLeverUp1 = "KEY_UP"
InputMagicalLeverDown1 = "KEY_DOWN"
InputMagicalLeverUp2 = "NONE"
InputMagicalLeverDown2 = "NONE"
InputMagicalLever1 = "JOY1_YAXIS"
InputMagicalLever2 = "JOY2_YAXIS"
InputMagicalPedal1 = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
InputMagicalPedal2 = "KEY_S,JOY2_BUTTON1"

; Sega Bass Fishing / Get Bass controls
InputFishingRodLeft = "KEY_LEFT"
InputFishingRodRight = "KEY_RIGHT"
InputFishingRodUp = "KEY_UP"
InputFishingRodDown = "KEY_DOWN"
InputFishingStickLeft = "KEY_A"
InputFishingStickRight = "KEY_D"
InputFishingStickUp = "KEY_W"
InputFishingStickDown = "KEY_S"
InputFishingRodX = "JOY1_XAXIS"
InputFishingRodY = "JOY1_YAXIS"
InputFishingStickX = "JOY1_RXAXIS"
InputFishingStickY = "JOY1_RYAXIS"
InputFishingReel = "KEY_SPACE,JOY1_ZAXIS_POS"
InputFishingCast = "KEY_Z,JOY1_BUTTON1"
InputFishingSelect = "KEY_X,JOY1_BUTTON2"
InputFishingTension = "KEY_T,JOY1_ZAXIS_NEG"

DTEAM

@mechafatnick
I know, but it’s the same concept for the other games. I showed you an exemple. Also, you can combine analog and input for a game like scud, I can turn right and left with analog stick and right and left buttons.

New edit: like this

; Steering wheel
InputSteeringLeft = JOY1_BUTTON8,JOY1_ZAXIS_POS      ; digital, turn wheel left
InputSteeringRight = JOY1_BUTTON9,JOY1_ZAXIS_NEG     ; digital, turn wheel right
InputSteering = NONE      ; analog, full steering range

Folly

@DTEAM @mechafatnick

I had the idea of making an emulators.cfg line that could automatically detect the current resolution or the current resolution that is set for the emulator and then run the emulator with that resolution.
@mitu helped me out with how to do this.
We can just add the variables %XRES% and %YRES% in the line.
There should be no need anymore for multiple resolution-lines.

So I removed all earlier lines, and added just one line, which should be enough :
https://github.com/FollyMaddy/RetroPie-Share/commit/cb155d7167b45c1206ae52279c523f0f7db7789d

DTEAM

@folly
@mechafatnick

Here's what I found in Supermodel.log . It shows all default settings. Most of the time you can set it in Supermodel.ini. When It's the default values, they doesn't appear in Supermodel.ini. You have to add them to set them. It is essentially the same as what I have already discussed above.

Sensitivity=15 %
Decay Speed=50 %
X-Axis Dead Zone=10 %
RX-Axis Dead Zone=10 %
Y-Axis Dead Zone=10 %
Z-Axis Dead Zone=10 %

Folly

@dteam

Still not sure what these settings really do.
In the test menu I did not seem to see any difference.

I will try again soon.

DTEAM

@folly
It is essentially the same as what I have already discussed above.

I'll play with sensitivity. I'm sure my problem is with this parameter like It was with N64 and CDi.

Folly

@dteam

Ok, understood.

DTEAM

@folly
I will try after the endless download of MAME 0.233 😂

mechafatnick

Sorry, i was distracted by the pinball bartop i've been setting up (it makes mame configuration look easy! :D )

The automated resolution is a good idea in theory, but my only worry is that our hardware can't really handle going far beyond the Model 3's native res.

I worry that the average user is going to think they can't run it above something like 640 x 480 wheh in reality you can have it look ok and run ok by rendering low and stretching.

Folly

@mechafatnick said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

Sorry, i was distracted by the pinball bartop i've been setting up (it makes mame configuration look easy! :D )

The automated resolution is a good idea in theory, but my only worry is that our hardware can't really handle going far beyond the Model 3's native res.

I worry that the average user is going to think they can't run it above something like 640 x 480 wheh in reality you can have it look ok and run ok by rendering low and stretching.

If you don't set a resolution when booting the emulator, it will use the regular resolution. But if you do it will take that resolution.

I would recommend to test it first.
If doesn't work we can always revert it back to the original 3 lines.

phialek

Is daytona 2 playable now? If so I will try the model 3 emulator on my pi. But that it runs at all is still awesome.