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    • DTEAMD
      DTEAM @Folly
      last edited by DTEAM

      @folly
      honestly I don't know yet. I haven't tested it yet.
      New edit: maybe we will have answers in Supermodel.log like for screen parameters. I don’t have my Pi for the next 4 days. I’ll test it monday.

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        Folly @DTEAM
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        @dteam said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

        @folly
        honestly I don't know yet. I haven't tested it yet.
        New edit: maybe we will have answers in Supermodel.log like for screen parameters. I don’t have my Pi for the next 4 days. I’ll test it monday.

        Ok then we wait a while.

        I did put it in the Supermodel.ini.
        The log only complained about the comments that have no ";".
        So that is why I added them.

        I tried a bit, the setting seems to work a bit.
        Steering seems to be a bit less sensitive, which is good !

        Edit :
        Choosing the menu items is still a problem.
        I think this is due to the fact that the keyboard is basically emulating an analog steering wheel in a digital way.
        I will try some stuff if I can.

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          mechafatnick @Folly
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          @folly Yeah, My defult pad is the retrobit Saturn one, and i was never able to get analogie-digital to work very well.

          I have a knock-off PS3 pad and the analogue controls work great. I made it all the way through the Lost World

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            Folly @mechafatnick
            last edited by Folly

            @mechafatnick said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

            @folly Yeah, My defult pad is the retrobit Saturn one, and i was never able to get analogie-digital to work very well.

            Digital always goes to "full left" 00h, "middle" 80h or "full right" FFh (see input test).
            No values in between, that is needed to select the proper menu.
            I don't see much difference in the test menu if I set Sensitivity and Decay Speed.

            The analog part works also with my "O BIGBEN Joystick".

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              mechafatnick @Folly
              last edited by mechafatnick

              @folly if you look in the ini you have the axis to setting to set the analogue mapping and then joystick up/down/left/right which is supposed to be for controlling things digitally. I've never got it to work properly though.

              (not that i've put a massive amount of effort in. Turns out the sking game us my favourite!)

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                DTEAM @mechafatnick
                last edited by DTEAM

                @mechafatnick said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

                I've never got it to work properly though.

                It works well if you set InputAnalogJoyX and InputAnalogJoyY to NONE.

                InputAnalogJoyLeft = JOY1_ZAXIS_POS
                InputAnalogJoyRight = JOY1_ZAXIS_NEG
                InputAnalogJoyUp = JOY1_RXAXIS_POS
                InputAnalogJoyDown = JOY1_RXAXIS_NEG
                InputAnalogJoyX = NONE
                InputAnalogJoyY = NONE
                

                Z or RX axis could be different. depends on the gamepad used

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                  mechafatnick @DTEAM
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                  @dteam Yeah you have to be a little careful as some of the controls sound generic but are actually for specific games:

                  the master ini file has comments for which control goes with each game - it's a shame it doesn't add them into the one used for the emulator:

                  ; 4-way digital joysticks
                  InputJoyUp = "KEY_UP,JOY1_UP"
                  InputJoyDown = "KEY_DOWN,JOY1_DOWN"
                  InputJoyLeft = "KEY_LEFT,JOY1_LEFT"
                  InputJoyRight = "KEY_RIGHT,JOY1_RIGHT"
                  InputJoyUp2 = "JOY2_UP"
                  InputJoyDown2 = "JOY2_DOWN"
                  InputJoyLeft2 = "JOY2_LEFT"
                  InputJoyRight2 = "JOY2_RIGHT"
                  
                  ; Fighting game buttons
                  InputPunch = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  InputKick = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  InputGuard = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
                  InputEscape = "KEY_F,JOY1_BUTTON4"
                  InputPunch2 = "JOY2_BUTTON1"
                  InputKick2 = "JOY2_BUTTON2"
                  InputGuard2 = "JOY2_BUTTON3"
                  InputEscape2 = "JOY2_BUTTON4"
                  
                  ; Spikeout buttons
                  InputShift = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  InputBeat = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  InputCharge = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
                  InputJump = "KEY_F,JOY1_BUTTON4"
                  
                  ; Virtua Striker buttons
                  InputShortPass = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  InputLongPass = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  InputShoot = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
                  InputShortPass2 = "JOY2_BUTTON1"
                  InputLongPass2 = "JOY2_BUTTON2"
                  InputShoot2 = "JOY2_BUTTON3"
                  
                  ; Steering wheel
                  InputSteeringLeft = "KEY_LEFT"      ; digital, turn wheel left
                  InputSteeringRight = "KEY_RIGHT"    ; digital, turn wheel right
                  InputSteering = "JOY1_XAXIS"        ; analog, full steering range
                  
                  ; Pedals
                  InputAccelerator = "KEY_UP,JOY1_UP"
                  InputBrake = "KEY_DOWN,JOY1_DOWN"
                  
                  ; Up/down shifter manual transmission (all racers)
                  InputGearShiftUp = "KEY_Y"           ; sequential shift up
                  InputGearShiftDown = "KEY_H"         ; sequential shift down
                  
                  ; 4-Speed manual transmission (Daytona 2, Sega Rally 2, Scud Race)
                  InputGearShift1 = "KEY_Q,JOY1_BUTTON5"
                  InputGearShift2 = "KEY_W,JOY1_BUTTON6"
                  InputGearShift3 = "KEY_E,JOY1_BUTTON7"
                  InputGearShift4 = "KEY_R,JOY1_BUTTON8"
                  InputGearShiftN = "KEY_T"
                  
                  ; VR4 view change buttons (Daytona 2, Le Mans 24, Scud Race)
                  InputVR1 = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  InputVR2 = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  InputVR3 = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
                  InputVR4 = "KEY_F,JOY1_BUTTON4"
                  
                  ; Single view change button (Dirt Devils, ECA, Harley-Davidson, Sega Rally 2)
                  InputViewChange = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  
                  ; Handbrake (Dirt Devils, Sega Rally 2)
                  InputHandBrake = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  
                  ; Harley-Davidson controls
                  InputRearBrake = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  InputMusicSelect = "KEY_D,JOY1_BUTTON3"
                  
                  ; Virtual On macros
                  InputTwinJoyTurnLeft = "KEY_Q,JOY1_RXAXIS_NEG"
                  InputTwinJoyTurnRight = "KEY_W,JOY1_RXAXIS_POS"
                  InputTwinJoyForward = "KEY_UP,JOY1_YAXIS_NEG"
                  InputTwinJoyReverse = "KEY_DOWN,JOY1_YAXIS_POS"
                  InputTwinJoyStrafeLeft = "KEY_LEFT,JOY1_XAXIS_NEG"
                  InputTwinJoyStrafeRight = "KEY_RIGHT,JOY1_XAXIS_POS"
                  InputTwinJoyJump = "KEY_E,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  InputTwinJoyCrouch = "KEY_R,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  
                  ; Virtual On individual joystick mapping
                  InputTwinJoyLeft1 = "NONE"
                  InputTwinJoyLeft2 = "NONE"
                  InputTwinJoyRight1 = "NONE"
                  InputTwinJoyRight2 = "NONE"
                  InputTwinJoyUp1 = "NONE"
                  InputTwinJoyUp2 = "NONE"
                  InputTwinJoyDown1 = "NONE"
                  InputTwinJoyDown2 = "NONE"
                  
                  ; Virtual On buttons
                  InputTwinJoyShot1 = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON5"
                  InputTwinJoyShot2 = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON6"
                  InputTwinJoyTurbo1 = "KEY_Z,JOY1_BUTTON7"
                  InputTwinJoyTurbo2 = "KEY_X,JOY1_BUTTON8"
                  
                  ; Analog joystick (Star Wars Trilogy)
                  InputAnalogJoyLeft = "KEY_LEFT"             ; digital, move left
                  InputAnalogJoyRight = "KEY_RIGHT"           ; digital, move right
                  InputAnalogJoyUp = "KEY_UP"                 ; digital, move up
                  InputAnalogJoyDown = "KEY_DOWN"             ; digital, move down
                  InputAnalogJoyX = "JOY_XAXIS,MOUSE_XAXIS"   ; analog, full X axis
                  InputAnalogJoyY = "JOY_YAXIS,MOUSE_YAXIS"   ; analog, full Y axis
                  InputAnalogJoyTrigger = "KEY_A,JOY_BUTTON1,MOUSE_LEFT_BUTTON"
                  InputAnalogJoyEvent = "KEY_S,JOY_BUTTON2,MOUSE_RIGHT_BUTTON"
                  InputAnalogJoyTrigger2 = "KEY_D,JOY_BUTTON2"
                  InputAnalogJoyEvent2 = "NONE"
                  
                  ; Light guns (Lost World)
                  InputGunLeft = "KEY_LEFT"               ; digital, move gun left
                  InputGunRight = "KEY_RIGHT"             ; digital, move gun right
                  InputGunUp = "KEY_UP"                   ; digital, move gun up
                  InputGunDown = "KEY_DOWN"               ; digital, move gun down
                  InputGunX = "MOUSE_XAXIS,JOY1_XAXIS"    ; analog, full X axis
                  InputGunY = "MOUSE_YAXIS,JOY1_YAXIS"    ; analog, full Y axis
                  InputTrigger = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1,MOUSE_LEFT_BUTTON"
                  InputOffscreen = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2,MOUSE_RIGHT_BUTTON"    ; point off-screen
                  InputAutoTrigger = 0                    ; automatic reload when off-screen
                  InputGunLeft2 = "NONE"
                  InputGunRight2 = "NONE"
                  InputGunUp2 = "NONE"
                  InputGunDown2 = "NONE"
                  InputGunX2 = "JOY2_XAXIS"
                  InputGunY2 = "JOY2_YAXIS"
                  InputTrigger2 = "JOY2_BUTTON1"
                  InputOffscreen2 = "JOY2_BUTTON2"
                  InputAutoTrigger2 = 0
                  
                  ; Analog guns (Ocean Hunter, LA Machineguns)
                  InputAnalogGunLeft = "KEY_LEFT"               ; digital, move gun left
                  InputAnalogGunRight = "KEY_RIGHT"             ; digital, move gun right
                  InputAnalogGunUp = "KEY_UP"                   ; digital, move gun up
                  InputAnalogGunDown = "KEY_DOWN"               ; digital, move gun down
                  InputAnalogGunX = "MOUSE_XAXIS,JOY1_XAXIS"    ; analog, full X axis
                  InputAnalogGunY = "MOUSE_YAXIS,JOY1_YAXIS"    ; analog, full Y axis
                  InputAnalogTriggerLeft = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1,MOUSE_LEFT_BUTTON"
                  InputAnalogTriggerRight = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2,MOUSE_RIGHT_BUTTON"
                  InputAnalogGunLeft2 = "NONE"
                  InputAnalogGunRight2 = "NONE"
                  InputAnalogGunUp2 = "NONE"
                  InputAnalogGunDown2 = "NONE"
                  InputAnalogGunX2 = "NONE"
                  InputAnalogGunY2 = "NONE"
                  InputAnalogTriggerLeft2 = "NONE"
                  InputAnalogTriggerRight2 = "NONE"
                  
                  ; Ski Champ controls
                  InputSkiLeft = "KEY_LEFT"
                  InputSkiRight = "KEY_RIGHT"
                  InputSkiUp = "KEY_UP"
                  InputSkiDown = "KEY_DOWN"
                  InputSkiX = "JOY1_XAXIS"
                  InputSkiY = "JOY1_YAXIS"
                  InputSkiPollLeft = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  InputSkiPollRight = "KEY_S,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  InputSkiSelect1 = "KEY_Q,JOY1_BUTTON3"
                  InputSkiSelect2 = "KEY_W,JOY1_BUTTON4"
                  InputSkiSelect3 = "KEY_E,JOY1_BUTTON5"
                  
                  ; Magical Truck Adventure controls
                  InputMagicalLeverUp1 = "KEY_UP"
                  InputMagicalLeverDown1 = "KEY_DOWN"
                  InputMagicalLeverUp2 = "NONE"
                  InputMagicalLeverDown2 = "NONE"
                  InputMagicalLever1 = "JOY1_YAXIS"
                  InputMagicalLever2 = "JOY2_YAXIS"
                  InputMagicalPedal1 = "KEY_A,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  InputMagicalPedal2 = "KEY_S,JOY2_BUTTON1"
                  
                  ; Sega Bass Fishing / Get Bass controls
                  InputFishingRodLeft = "KEY_LEFT"
                  InputFishingRodRight = "KEY_RIGHT"
                  InputFishingRodUp = "KEY_UP"
                  InputFishingRodDown = "KEY_DOWN"
                  InputFishingStickLeft = "KEY_A"
                  InputFishingStickRight = "KEY_D"
                  InputFishingStickUp = "KEY_W"
                  InputFishingStickDown = "KEY_S"
                  InputFishingRodX = "JOY1_XAXIS"
                  InputFishingRodY = "JOY1_YAXIS"
                  InputFishingStickX = "JOY1_RXAXIS"
                  InputFishingStickY = "JOY1_RYAXIS"
                  InputFishingReel = "KEY_SPACE,JOY1_ZAXIS_POS"
                  InputFishingCast = "KEY_Z,JOY1_BUTTON1"
                  InputFishingSelect = "KEY_X,JOY1_BUTTON2"
                  InputFishingTension = "KEY_T,JOY1_ZAXIS_NEG"
                  
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                  • DTEAMD
                    DTEAM @mechafatnick
                    last edited by DTEAM

                    @mechafatnick
                    I know, but it’s the same concept for the other games. I showed you an exemple. Also, you can combine analog and input for a game like scud, I can turn right and left with analog stick and right and left buttons.

                    New edit: like this

                    ; Steering wheel
                    InputSteeringLeft = JOY1_BUTTON8,JOY1_ZAXIS_POS      ; digital, turn wheel left
                    InputSteeringRight = JOY1_BUTTON9,JOY1_ZAXIS_NEG     ; digital, turn wheel right
                    InputSteering = NONE      ; analog, full steering range
                    
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                      Folly
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                      @DTEAM @mechafatnick

                      I had the idea of making an emulators.cfg line that could automatically detect the current resolution or the current resolution that is set for the emulator and then run the emulator with that resolution.
                      @mitu helped me out with how to do this.
                      We can just add the variables %XRES% and %YRES% in the line.
                      There should be no need anymore for multiple resolution-lines.

                      So I removed all earlier lines, and added just one line, which should be enough :
                      https://github.com/FollyMaddy/RetroPie-Share/commit/cb155d7167b45c1206ae52279c523f0f7db7789d

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                      • DTEAMD
                        DTEAM @Folly
                        last edited by DTEAM

                        @folly
                        @mechafatnick

                        Here's what I found in Supermodel.log . It shows all default settings. Most of the time you can set it in Supermodel.ini. When It's the default values, they doesn't appear in Supermodel.ini. You have to add them to set them. It is essentially the same as what I have already discussed above.

                        Sensitivity=15 %
                        Decay Speed=50 %
                        X-Axis Dead Zone=10 %
                        RX-Axis Dead Zone=10 %
                        Y-Axis Dead Zone=10 %
                        Z-Axis Dead Zone=10 %
                        
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                          Folly @DTEAM
                          last edited by Folly

                          @dteam

                          Still not sure what these settings really do.
                          In the test menu I did not seem to see any difference.

                          I will try again soon.

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                          • DTEAMD
                            DTEAM @Folly
                            last edited by DTEAM

                            @folly
                            It is essentially the same as what I have already discussed above.

                            I'll play with sensitivity. I'm sure my problem is with this parameter like It was with N64 and CDi.

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                              Folly @DTEAM
                              last edited by

                              @dteam

                              Ok, understood.

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                                DTEAM @Folly
                                last edited by

                                @folly
                                I will try after the endless download of MAME 0.233 😂

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                                  mechafatnick
                                  last edited by

                                  Sorry, i was distracted by the pinball bartop i've been setting up (it makes mame configuration look easy! :D )

                                  The automated resolution is a good idea in theory, but my only worry is that our hardware can't really handle going far beyond the Model 3's native res.

                                  I worry that the average user is going to think they can't run it above something like 640 x 480 wheh in reality you can have it look ok and run ok by rendering low and stretching.

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                                    Folly @mechafatnick
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                                    @mechafatnick said in Sega model 3 #segamodel3:

                                    Sorry, i was distracted by the pinball bartop i've been setting up (it makes mame configuration look easy! :D )

                                    The automated resolution is a good idea in theory, but my only worry is that our hardware can't really handle going far beyond the Model 3's native res.

                                    I worry that the average user is going to think they can't run it above something like 640 x 480 wheh in reality you can have it look ok and run ok by rendering low and stretching.

                                    If you don't set a resolution when booting the emulator, it will use the regular resolution. But if you do it will take that resolution.

                                    I would recommend to test it first.
                                    If doesn't work we can always revert it back to the original 3 lines.

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                                      phialek
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                                      Is daytona 2 playable now? If so I will try the model 3 emulator on my pi. But that it runs at all is still awesome.

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                                        Folly @phialek
                                        last edited by Folly

                                        @phialek

                                        I just tested Daytona2 for you.
                                        I played a few minutes, it should work !

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                                          phialek @Folly
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                                          @folly
                                          Thats awesome!

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                                            Folly @phialek
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                                            @phialek

                                            Try my module-script, let me know how it goes.

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