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    • robotronmanR
      robotronman
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      Hi All,

      I totally agree with @strangeruk here. This thread has been super helpful. Big thanks to @dudleydes, @AndersHP and @Pussyfoot for their contributions.

      I too use windows to administer my Retropie systems and have a tip for using @dudleydes UNIX commands directly from Windows.

      First download and install Gow found here: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/releases/

      Gow (Gnu On Windows) is the lightweight alternative to Cygwin. It uses a convenient NSIS installer that installs over 100 extremely useful open source UNIX applications compiled as native win32 binaries. It is designed to be as small as possible, about 18 MB, as opposed to Cygwin which can run well over 100 MB depending upon options.

      This tool is unbelievably awesome, and lets you run xargs and cp and many other UNIX commands right on your Windows machine. I've successfully used @dudleydes process above on Windows to filter my lists and files quickly and efficiently.

      Bravo guys, awesome work!
      robotronman

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      • pjftP
        pjft @robotronman
        last edited by

        @robotronman said in FBA vs. MAME:

        First download and install Gow found here: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/releases/

        Thank you for the tip! Had been looking for something like this for a while - I had something similar in the past, but I completely forgot the name of what I was using then, so this comes in handy!

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        • johnodonJ
          johnodon
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          Just wanted to say that this thread is awesome and exactly what I was looking for. Replying so I don't lose it again! :)

          Thank you all for the hard work!

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          • AndersHPA
            AndersHP
            last edited by

            I'm really enjoying my new arcade folder also.

            To tidy things up completely, it could have been nice to base the lists on the non-mahjong and non-adult DAT files, but I guess that's just personal taste.

            My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
            My Gameboy

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            • johnodonJ
              johnodon
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              What do you guys think about adding the Neogeo set under FBA?

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              • AndersHPA
                AndersHP @johnodon
                last edited by

                @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

                Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

                My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                My Gameboy

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                • johnodonJ
                  johnodon @AndersHP
                  last edited by

                  @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

                  @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

                  Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

                  I think this is close to all of them (bios file removed from list):

                  2020bb.zip
                  3countb.zip
                  alpham2.zip
                  androdun.zip
                  aodk.zip
                  aof.zip
                  aof2.zip
                  aof3.zip
                  bangbead.zip
                  bjourney.zip
                  blazstar.zip
                  breakrev.zip
                  bstars.zip
                  bstars2.zip
                  burningf.zip
                  crsword.zip
                  ctomaday.zip
                  cyberlip.zip
                  doubledr.zip
                  eightman.zip
                  fatfursp.zip
                  fatfury1.zip
                  fatfury2.zip
                  fatfury3.zip
                  fbfrenzy.zip
                  fightfev.zip
                  flipshot.zip
                  galaxyfg.zip
                  ganryu.zip
                  garou.zip
                  ghostlop.zip
                  goalx3.zip
                  gowcaizr.zip
                  gpilots.zip
                  gururin.zip
                  irrmaze.zip
                  joyjoy.zip
                  kabukikl.zip
                  karnovr.zip
                  kizuna.zip
                  kof2000.zip
                  kof2001.zip
                  kof2002.zip
                  kof2003.zip
                  kof94.zip
                  kof95.zip
                  kof96.zip
                  kof97.zip
                  kof98.zip
                  kof99.zip
                  kotm.zip
                  kotm2.zip
                  lastblad.zip
                  lastbld2.zip
                  lbowling.zip
                  legendos.zip
                  lresort.zip
                  magdrop2.zip
                  magdrop3.zip
                  maglord.zip
                  matrim.zip
                  miexchng.zip
                  mslug.zip
                  mslug2.zip
                  mslug3.zip
                  mslug4.zip
                  mslug5.zip
                  mslugx.zip
                  mutnat.zip
                  nam1975.zip
                  ncombat.zip
                  ncommand.zip
                  neobombe.zip
                  neocup98.zip
                  neodrift.zip
                  neomrdo.zip
                  ninjamas.zip
                  nitd.zip
                  overtop.zip
                  panicbom.zip
                  pbobbl2n.zip
                  pbobblen.zip
                  pgoal.zip
                  pnyaa.zip
                  popbounc.zip
                  preisle2.zip
                  pspikes2.zip
                  pulstar.zip
                  puzzledp.zip
                  rbff1.zip
                  rbff2.zip
                  rbffspec.zip
                  ridhero.zip
                  roboarmy.zip
                  rotd.zip
                  s1945p.zip
                  samsh5sp.zip
                  samsho.zip
                  samsho2.zip
                  samsho3.zip
                  samsho4.zip
                  samsho5.zip
                  savagere.zip
                  sdodgeb.zip
                  sengoku.zip
                  sengoku2.zip
                  sengoku3.zip
                  shocktr2.zip
                  shocktro.zip
                  socbrawl.zip
                  sonicwi2.zip
                  sonicwi3.zip
                  spinmast.zip
                  ssideki.zip
                  ssideki2.zip
                  ssideki3.zip
                  ssideki4.zip
                  stakwin.zip
                  stakwin2.zip
                  strhoop.zip
                  superspy.zip
                  tophuntr.zip
                  tpgolf.zip
                  turfmast.zip
                  twinspri.zip
                  tws96.zip
                  viewpoin.zip
                  wakuwak7.zip
                  wh1.zip
                  wh2.zip
                  wh2j.zip
                  whp.zip
                  wjammers.zip
                  zedblade.zip
                  zupapa.zip

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                  • AndersHPA
                    AndersHP @johnodon
                    last edited by AndersHP

                    @johnodon I've added an lr-fbalpha list including NeoGeo games here. Hope this is helpful.

                    My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                    My Gameboy

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                    • johnodonJ
                      johnodon
                      last edited by johnodon

                      If anyone wants a shortcut to all of this, here is a link to my emulators.cfg. If you see anything wrong, let me know.

                      https://pastebin.com/NJNcqmH5

                      2278 games total
                      43 advmame
                      1613 lr-fbalpha
                      640 lr-mame2003
                      2 lr-mame2010

                      John

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                        barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                        @andershp You mention "sound glitches" in rtype and gyruss, could you be a little more precise ? Also, those glitches happen with any sound setting (samplerate, sample interpolation & fm interpolation) in the core options ?
                        Those games should run flawlessly considering their cpu usage, so perhaps there is some glitch which needs to be reported to the fbalpha team.

                        FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                        • tashmanT
                          tashman
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                          I'm not sure if anyone is keeping a definitive list but in addition - footchmp.zip, euroch92.zip and hattrick.zip all have poor sound in the intros and for the in game "voice over" in lr-fbalpha. No issues in lr-mame2003/2010 and mame4all (Rpi 3 stock settings). It may improve with tweaks but it's better to choose an emulator that works right away.

                          Is it worth reporting these to the FBA alpha team?

                          Also a massive thanks to everyone involved in putting all this together. It has kept me busy this weekend!

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                            barbudreadmon @tashman
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                            @tashman said in FBA vs. MAME:

                            Is it worth reporting these to the FBA alpha team?

                            If this is bad enough to make people choose another emulator, i think it is.
                            Btw, hattrick can't have poor sound in fba since it is not emulated at all.

                            FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                            • tashmanT
                              tashman @barbudreadmon
                              last edited by

                              @barbudreadmon to be honest I made the assumption about hattrick as it's the same game.

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                                barbudreadmon
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                                @AndersHP @tashman So i tried rtype, footchmp, euroch92 and gyruss in mame2003, and while i didn't notice the "poor sound" or "sound glitches" you mentioned for the first 3, there is definitely something off with fbalpha's gyruss sound, so i bumped an old topic about gyruss sound upstream : http://neo-source.com/index.php?topic=2490.0

                                FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                  barbudreadmon
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                                  @AndersHP The difference between mame and fbalpha for gyruss is only the balance, i just patched it in lr-fbalpha, let me know what do you think about the new one.

                                  PS : i still don't know what are your sound glitches in rtype.

                                  FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                  • AndersHPA
                                    AndersHP
                                    last edited by AndersHP

                                    Sorry for being so passive here, I will check these out ASAP.
                                    As for Gyruss, it's the spawning sound that's off in fba. Very fuzzy. It's much better and sharper sounding in MAME2003.

                                    Rtype I had actual soundglitches in, but will test again soon.

                                    @barbudreadmon said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                    i just patched it in lr-fbalpha, let me know what do you think about the new one.

                                    How do I get this? Just update my lr-fbalpha emulator? Or are we talking new romsets?

                                    My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                    My Gameboy

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                                      barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                                      @andershp just update from sources

                                      FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                        barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                                        @andershp So, how did it turn out ? I think it's better than before, not sure it will be to your liking though, keep in mind that :

                                        • this is the favorite game of dink (the fba upstream developper who provided me this patch), so his main objective was to match his own likings.
                                        • the sound and balance for this game in mame2003 weren't considered perfect, and had several patches since then, i don't know how the current ones sound.

                                        FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                        • AndersHPA
                                          AndersHP @barbudreadmon
                                          last edited by

                                          @barbudreadmon said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                          @andershp So, how did it turn out ?

                                          Updating from source now. Will test tonight, given that my little son allows this :)
                                          Watch this space..

                                          My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                          My Gameboy

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                                          • AndersHPA
                                            AndersHP
                                            last edited by AndersHP

                                            Alright, with the risk of being called pedantic, here goes:

                                            I tried rtype.zip and gyruss.zip (haven't tested other versions of these games) with the newest Final Burn Alpha from source (0.2.97.42) and compared them to MAME2003 (0.78).

                                            R-Type:
                                            I still notice very small soundglitches, it's like running the game in windows while something happens in the background, making a very small hiccup. I tried filming it, see this video, exactly as the timer skips to 3 seconds into the video:


                                            These glitches happened some 5 times at different places in the first stage that I tested, and did not happen in MAME2003.

                                            Gyruss:
                                            I can appreciate the balance adjustments, it's like the sound is centered better in FBA than MAME2003, but I really think the spawning sound is very fuzzy, which was my only problem with the FBA version to begin with. The spawning sounds like it has a cold.... HAHA! I know it doesn't make sense, but it kind of ruins it for me :D
                                            Listen here, in the very beginning of the video when the ship spawns: (truly sorry for the ambient tv-sound, please try to ignore this)


                                            I also made videos of the music in level 2, just for comparison:


                                            As an old drummer, I cannot help to notice that FBA runs a little fewer beats per second, do you hear it also? The music in MAME2003 sounds like it's just a tad faster, especially noticeable on level 2. Not much though.

                                            Damn, this game is just awesome. Hard to play with one hand only though. :)
                                            Another difference is the difficulty - much harder on FBA, notice especially level 1, with almost no enemy fire on MAME compared to quite a lot of shooting on FBA.

                                            My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                            My Gameboy

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