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    • AndersHPA
      AndersHP @johnodon
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      @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

      Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

      My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
      My Gameboy

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      • johnodonJ
        johnodon @AndersHP
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        @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

        @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

        Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

        I think this is close to all of them (bios file removed from list):

        2020bb.zip
        3countb.zip
        alpham2.zip
        androdun.zip
        aodk.zip
        aof.zip
        aof2.zip
        aof3.zip
        bangbead.zip
        bjourney.zip
        blazstar.zip
        breakrev.zip
        bstars.zip
        bstars2.zip
        burningf.zip
        crsword.zip
        ctomaday.zip
        cyberlip.zip
        doubledr.zip
        eightman.zip
        fatfursp.zip
        fatfury1.zip
        fatfury2.zip
        fatfury3.zip
        fbfrenzy.zip
        fightfev.zip
        flipshot.zip
        galaxyfg.zip
        ganryu.zip
        garou.zip
        ghostlop.zip
        goalx3.zip
        gowcaizr.zip
        gpilots.zip
        gururin.zip
        irrmaze.zip
        joyjoy.zip
        kabukikl.zip
        karnovr.zip
        kizuna.zip
        kof2000.zip
        kof2001.zip
        kof2002.zip
        kof2003.zip
        kof94.zip
        kof95.zip
        kof96.zip
        kof97.zip
        kof98.zip
        kof99.zip
        kotm.zip
        kotm2.zip
        lastblad.zip
        lastbld2.zip
        lbowling.zip
        legendos.zip
        lresort.zip
        magdrop2.zip
        magdrop3.zip
        maglord.zip
        matrim.zip
        miexchng.zip
        mslug.zip
        mslug2.zip
        mslug3.zip
        mslug4.zip
        mslug5.zip
        mslugx.zip
        mutnat.zip
        nam1975.zip
        ncombat.zip
        ncommand.zip
        neobombe.zip
        neocup98.zip
        neodrift.zip
        neomrdo.zip
        ninjamas.zip
        nitd.zip
        overtop.zip
        panicbom.zip
        pbobbl2n.zip
        pbobblen.zip
        pgoal.zip
        pnyaa.zip
        popbounc.zip
        preisle2.zip
        pspikes2.zip
        pulstar.zip
        puzzledp.zip
        rbff1.zip
        rbff2.zip
        rbffspec.zip
        ridhero.zip
        roboarmy.zip
        rotd.zip
        s1945p.zip
        samsh5sp.zip
        samsho.zip
        samsho2.zip
        samsho3.zip
        samsho4.zip
        samsho5.zip
        savagere.zip
        sdodgeb.zip
        sengoku.zip
        sengoku2.zip
        sengoku3.zip
        shocktr2.zip
        shocktro.zip
        socbrawl.zip
        sonicwi2.zip
        sonicwi3.zip
        spinmast.zip
        ssideki.zip
        ssideki2.zip
        ssideki3.zip
        ssideki4.zip
        stakwin.zip
        stakwin2.zip
        strhoop.zip
        superspy.zip
        tophuntr.zip
        tpgolf.zip
        turfmast.zip
        twinspri.zip
        tws96.zip
        viewpoin.zip
        wakuwak7.zip
        wh1.zip
        wh2.zip
        wh2j.zip
        whp.zip
        wjammers.zip
        zedblade.zip
        zupapa.zip

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        • AndersHPA
          AndersHP @johnodon
          last edited by AndersHP

          @johnodon I've added an lr-fbalpha list including NeoGeo games here. Hope this is helpful.

          My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
          My Gameboy

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          • johnodonJ
            johnodon
            last edited by johnodon

            If anyone wants a shortcut to all of this, here is a link to my emulators.cfg. If you see anything wrong, let me know.

            https://pastebin.com/NJNcqmH5

            2278 games total
            43 advmame
            1613 lr-fbalpha
            640 lr-mame2003
            2 lr-mame2010

            John

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              barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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              @andershp You mention "sound glitches" in rtype and gyruss, could you be a little more precise ? Also, those glitches happen with any sound setting (samplerate, sample interpolation & fm interpolation) in the core options ?
              Those games should run flawlessly considering their cpu usage, so perhaps there is some glitch which needs to be reported to the fbalpha team.

              FBNeo developer - github - forum

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              • tashmanT
                tashman
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                I'm not sure if anyone is keeping a definitive list but in addition - footchmp.zip, euroch92.zip and hattrick.zip all have poor sound in the intros and for the in game "voice over" in lr-fbalpha. No issues in lr-mame2003/2010 and mame4all (Rpi 3 stock settings). It may improve with tweaks but it's better to choose an emulator that works right away.

                Is it worth reporting these to the FBA alpha team?

                Also a massive thanks to everyone involved in putting all this together. It has kept me busy this weekend!

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                  barbudreadmon @tashman
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                  @tashman said in FBA vs. MAME:

                  Is it worth reporting these to the FBA alpha team?

                  If this is bad enough to make people choose another emulator, i think it is.
                  Btw, hattrick can't have poor sound in fba since it is not emulated at all.

                  FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                  • tashmanT
                    tashman @barbudreadmon
                    last edited by

                    @barbudreadmon to be honest I made the assumption about hattrick as it's the same game.

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                      barbudreadmon
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                      @AndersHP @tashman So i tried rtype, footchmp, euroch92 and gyruss in mame2003, and while i didn't notice the "poor sound" or "sound glitches" you mentioned for the first 3, there is definitely something off with fbalpha's gyruss sound, so i bumped an old topic about gyruss sound upstream : http://neo-source.com/index.php?topic=2490.0

                      FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                        barbudreadmon
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                        @AndersHP The difference between mame and fbalpha for gyruss is only the balance, i just patched it in lr-fbalpha, let me know what do you think about the new one.

                        PS : i still don't know what are your sound glitches in rtype.

                        FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                        • AndersHPA
                          AndersHP
                          last edited by AndersHP

                          Sorry for being so passive here, I will check these out ASAP.
                          As for Gyruss, it's the spawning sound that's off in fba. Very fuzzy. It's much better and sharper sounding in MAME2003.

                          Rtype I had actual soundglitches in, but will test again soon.

                          @barbudreadmon said in FBA vs. MAME:

                          i just patched it in lr-fbalpha, let me know what do you think about the new one.

                          How do I get this? Just update my lr-fbalpha emulator? Or are we talking new romsets?

                          My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                          My Gameboy

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                            barbudreadmon @AndersHP
                            last edited by

                            @andershp just update from sources

                            FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                              barbudreadmon @AndersHP
                              last edited by

                              @andershp So, how did it turn out ? I think it's better than before, not sure it will be to your liking though, keep in mind that :

                              • this is the favorite game of dink (the fba upstream developper who provided me this patch), so his main objective was to match his own likings.
                              • the sound and balance for this game in mame2003 weren't considered perfect, and had several patches since then, i don't know how the current ones sound.

                              FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                              • AndersHPA
                                AndersHP @barbudreadmon
                                last edited by

                                @barbudreadmon said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                @andershp So, how did it turn out ?

                                Updating from source now. Will test tonight, given that my little son allows this :)
                                Watch this space..

                                My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                My Gameboy

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                                • AndersHPA
                                  AndersHP
                                  last edited by AndersHP

                                  Alright, with the risk of being called pedantic, here goes:

                                  I tried rtype.zip and gyruss.zip (haven't tested other versions of these games) with the newest Final Burn Alpha from source (0.2.97.42) and compared them to MAME2003 (0.78).

                                  R-Type:
                                  I still notice very small soundglitches, it's like running the game in windows while something happens in the background, making a very small hiccup. I tried filming it, see this video, exactly as the timer skips to 3 seconds into the video:


                                  These glitches happened some 5 times at different places in the first stage that I tested, and did not happen in MAME2003.

                                  Gyruss:
                                  I can appreciate the balance adjustments, it's like the sound is centered better in FBA than MAME2003, but I really think the spawning sound is very fuzzy, which was my only problem with the FBA version to begin with. The spawning sounds like it has a cold.... HAHA! I know it doesn't make sense, but it kind of ruins it for me :D
                                  Listen here, in the very beginning of the video when the ship spawns: (truly sorry for the ambient tv-sound, please try to ignore this)


                                  I also made videos of the music in level 2, just for comparison:


                                  As an old drummer, I cannot help to notice that FBA runs a little fewer beats per second, do you hear it also? The music in MAME2003 sounds like it's just a tad faster, especially noticeable on level 2. Not much though.

                                  Damn, this game is just awesome. Hard to play with one hand only though. :)
                                  Another difference is the difficulty - much harder on FBA, notice especially level 1, with almost no enemy fire on MAME compared to quite a lot of shooting on FBA.

                                  My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                  My Gameboy

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                                  • SuperMagicomS
                                    SuperMagicom
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                                    I think some games fell through the cracks. For example, I noticed Chiller is missing for some reason.

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                                    • AndersHPA
                                      AndersHP @SuperMagicom
                                      last edited by

                                      @supermagicom don't know this game. Is it best run on mame or fba?

                                      My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                      My Gameboy

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                                        barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                                        @andershp while i hear the rtype sound glitch in your video (and it's exactly as you describe : feels like something is suddenly happening in the background), i tried to reproduce it myself without success : i just finished the game with the invincibility dipswitch on so that i could pay attention only to the sound (even closed my eyes when there was no boss to fight), i didn't notice a similar hiccup once, i can also say that the game didn't seem to go above 71% cpu usage on my rpi3, even in stage 5 when there are slowdowns (they are probably from the original hardware, i guess they'll disappear if you use the "CPU overclock" core option).

                                        A setup issue is extremely likely, it makes me think about this post where the OP has "jumpy scrolling" when retroarch's video threading is set to on (which is the default setting in retropie, doesn't cause issue with his other emulators including lr-mame2003, and doesn't cause issue with lr-fbalpha for other users including me).

                                        I'll take another look at gyruss later this week-end.

                                        FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                        • AndersHPA
                                          AndersHP @barbudreadmon
                                          last edited by

                                          @barbudreadmon
                                          Threaded video = off didn't help unfortunately...

                                          My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                          My Gameboy

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                                          • tashmanT
                                            tashman @barbudreadmon
                                            last edited by tashman

                                            @barbudreadmon - sorry for the late reply. Further to my earlier comment it was hthero.zip (Hat Trick Hero, i.e the Japanese version of Football Champ) that I meant rather than hattrick.zip. When I play any variant of those rooms on lr-fbalpha they seem to run at about 80% speed - that's what's making the sound quite rough. I haven't messed around with any of the Retroarch settings, they are default. If you (and whoever compiled the list earlier in the thread) can't reproduce this then I guess the issues are unique to my Pi or you may have optimised your settings somehow. I've just bought another Pi 3 so I'll retest on that when I get the chance. I'm suspicious that not all Pi 3s are the same. I cloned mine for a friend and Quake II on PS1 worked on his but not mine. At the time I thought my usb stick might have a bad block or something.....

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