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    • johnodonJ
      johnodon
      last edited by

      Just wanted to say that this thread is awesome and exactly what I was looking for. Replying so I don't lose it again! :)

      Thank you all for the hard work!

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      • AndersHPA
        AndersHP
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        I'm really enjoying my new arcade folder also.

        To tidy things up completely, it could have been nice to base the lists on the non-mahjong and non-adult DAT files, but I guess that's just personal taste.

        My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
        My Gameboy

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        • johnodonJ
          johnodon
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          What do you guys think about adding the Neogeo set under FBA?

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          • AndersHPA
            AndersHP @johnodon
            last edited by

            @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

            Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

            My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
            My Gameboy

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            • johnodonJ
              johnodon @AndersHP
              last edited by

              @andershp said in FBA vs. MAME:

              @johnodon if anyone has a NeoGeo gamelist with zip files listed, I can make an FBA list with these included.

              Personally, I like to have NeoGeo games listed under the NeoGeo system folder.

              I think this is close to all of them (bios file removed from list):

              2020bb.zip
              3countb.zip
              alpham2.zip
              androdun.zip
              aodk.zip
              aof.zip
              aof2.zip
              aof3.zip
              bangbead.zip
              bjourney.zip
              blazstar.zip
              breakrev.zip
              bstars.zip
              bstars2.zip
              burningf.zip
              crsword.zip
              ctomaday.zip
              cyberlip.zip
              doubledr.zip
              eightman.zip
              fatfursp.zip
              fatfury1.zip
              fatfury2.zip
              fatfury3.zip
              fbfrenzy.zip
              fightfev.zip
              flipshot.zip
              galaxyfg.zip
              ganryu.zip
              garou.zip
              ghostlop.zip
              goalx3.zip
              gowcaizr.zip
              gpilots.zip
              gururin.zip
              irrmaze.zip
              joyjoy.zip
              kabukikl.zip
              karnovr.zip
              kizuna.zip
              kof2000.zip
              kof2001.zip
              kof2002.zip
              kof2003.zip
              kof94.zip
              kof95.zip
              kof96.zip
              kof97.zip
              kof98.zip
              kof99.zip
              kotm.zip
              kotm2.zip
              lastblad.zip
              lastbld2.zip
              lbowling.zip
              legendos.zip
              lresort.zip
              magdrop2.zip
              magdrop3.zip
              maglord.zip
              matrim.zip
              miexchng.zip
              mslug.zip
              mslug2.zip
              mslug3.zip
              mslug4.zip
              mslug5.zip
              mslugx.zip
              mutnat.zip
              nam1975.zip
              ncombat.zip
              ncommand.zip
              neobombe.zip
              neocup98.zip
              neodrift.zip
              neomrdo.zip
              ninjamas.zip
              nitd.zip
              overtop.zip
              panicbom.zip
              pbobbl2n.zip
              pbobblen.zip
              pgoal.zip
              pnyaa.zip
              popbounc.zip
              preisle2.zip
              pspikes2.zip
              pulstar.zip
              puzzledp.zip
              rbff1.zip
              rbff2.zip
              rbffspec.zip
              ridhero.zip
              roboarmy.zip
              rotd.zip
              s1945p.zip
              samsh5sp.zip
              samsho.zip
              samsho2.zip
              samsho3.zip
              samsho4.zip
              samsho5.zip
              savagere.zip
              sdodgeb.zip
              sengoku.zip
              sengoku2.zip
              sengoku3.zip
              shocktr2.zip
              shocktro.zip
              socbrawl.zip
              sonicwi2.zip
              sonicwi3.zip
              spinmast.zip
              ssideki.zip
              ssideki2.zip
              ssideki3.zip
              ssideki4.zip
              stakwin.zip
              stakwin2.zip
              strhoop.zip
              superspy.zip
              tophuntr.zip
              tpgolf.zip
              turfmast.zip
              twinspri.zip
              tws96.zip
              viewpoin.zip
              wakuwak7.zip
              wh1.zip
              wh2.zip
              wh2j.zip
              whp.zip
              wjammers.zip
              zedblade.zip
              zupapa.zip

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              • AndersHPA
                AndersHP @johnodon
                last edited by AndersHP

                @johnodon I've added an lr-fbalpha list including NeoGeo games here. Hope this is helpful.

                My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                My Gameboy

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                • johnodonJ
                  johnodon
                  last edited by johnodon

                  If anyone wants a shortcut to all of this, here is a link to my emulators.cfg. If you see anything wrong, let me know.

                  https://pastebin.com/NJNcqmH5

                  2278 games total
                  43 advmame
                  1613 lr-fbalpha
                  640 lr-mame2003
                  2 lr-mame2010

                  John

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                    barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                    @andershp You mention "sound glitches" in rtype and gyruss, could you be a little more precise ? Also, those glitches happen with any sound setting (samplerate, sample interpolation & fm interpolation) in the core options ?
                    Those games should run flawlessly considering their cpu usage, so perhaps there is some glitch which needs to be reported to the fbalpha team.

                    FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                    • tashmanT
                      tashman
                      last edited by

                      I'm not sure if anyone is keeping a definitive list but in addition - footchmp.zip, euroch92.zip and hattrick.zip all have poor sound in the intros and for the in game "voice over" in lr-fbalpha. No issues in lr-mame2003/2010 and mame4all (Rpi 3 stock settings). It may improve with tweaks but it's better to choose an emulator that works right away.

                      Is it worth reporting these to the FBA alpha team?

                      Also a massive thanks to everyone involved in putting all this together. It has kept me busy this weekend!

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                        barbudreadmon @tashman
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                        @tashman said in FBA vs. MAME:

                        Is it worth reporting these to the FBA alpha team?

                        If this is bad enough to make people choose another emulator, i think it is.
                        Btw, hattrick can't have poor sound in fba since it is not emulated at all.

                        FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                        • tashmanT
                          tashman @barbudreadmon
                          last edited by

                          @barbudreadmon to be honest I made the assumption about hattrick as it's the same game.

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                            barbudreadmon
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                            @AndersHP @tashman So i tried rtype, footchmp, euroch92 and gyruss in mame2003, and while i didn't notice the "poor sound" or "sound glitches" you mentioned for the first 3, there is definitely something off with fbalpha's gyruss sound, so i bumped an old topic about gyruss sound upstream : http://neo-source.com/index.php?topic=2490.0

                            FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                              barbudreadmon
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                              @AndersHP The difference between mame and fbalpha for gyruss is only the balance, i just patched it in lr-fbalpha, let me know what do you think about the new one.

                              PS : i still don't know what are your sound glitches in rtype.

                              FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                              • AndersHPA
                                AndersHP
                                last edited by AndersHP

                                Sorry for being so passive here, I will check these out ASAP.
                                As for Gyruss, it's the spawning sound that's off in fba. Very fuzzy. It's much better and sharper sounding in MAME2003.

                                Rtype I had actual soundglitches in, but will test again soon.

                                @barbudreadmon said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                i just patched it in lr-fbalpha, let me know what do you think about the new one.

                                How do I get this? Just update my lr-fbalpha emulator? Or are we talking new romsets?

                                My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                My Gameboy

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                                  barbudreadmon @AndersHP
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                                  @andershp just update from sources

                                  FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                    barbudreadmon @AndersHP
                                    last edited by

                                    @andershp So, how did it turn out ? I think it's better than before, not sure it will be to your liking though, keep in mind that :

                                    • this is the favorite game of dink (the fba upstream developper who provided me this patch), so his main objective was to match his own likings.
                                    • the sound and balance for this game in mame2003 weren't considered perfect, and had several patches since then, i don't know how the current ones sound.

                                    FBNeo developer - github - forum

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                                    • AndersHPA
                                      AndersHP @barbudreadmon
                                      last edited by

                                      @barbudreadmon said in FBA vs. MAME:

                                      @andershp So, how did it turn out ?

                                      Updating from source now. Will test tonight, given that my little son allows this :)
                                      Watch this space..

                                      My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                      My Gameboy

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                                      • AndersHPA
                                        AndersHP
                                        last edited by AndersHP

                                        Alright, with the risk of being called pedantic, here goes:

                                        I tried rtype.zip and gyruss.zip (haven't tested other versions of these games) with the newest Final Burn Alpha from source (0.2.97.42) and compared them to MAME2003 (0.78).

                                        R-Type:
                                        I still notice very small soundglitches, it's like running the game in windows while something happens in the background, making a very small hiccup. I tried filming it, see this video, exactly as the timer skips to 3 seconds into the video:


                                        These glitches happened some 5 times at different places in the first stage that I tested, and did not happen in MAME2003.

                                        Gyruss:
                                        I can appreciate the balance adjustments, it's like the sound is centered better in FBA than MAME2003, but I really think the spawning sound is very fuzzy, which was my only problem with the FBA version to begin with. The spawning sounds like it has a cold.... HAHA! I know it doesn't make sense, but it kind of ruins it for me :D
                                        Listen here, in the very beginning of the video when the ship spawns: (truly sorry for the ambient tv-sound, please try to ignore this)


                                        I also made videos of the music in level 2, just for comparison:


                                        As an old drummer, I cannot help to notice that FBA runs a little fewer beats per second, do you hear it also? The music in MAME2003 sounds like it's just a tad faster, especially noticeable on level 2. Not much though.

                                        Damn, this game is just awesome. Hard to play with one hand only though. :)
                                        Another difference is the difficulty - much harder on FBA, notice especially level 1, with almost no enemy fire on MAME compared to quite a lot of shooting on FBA.

                                        My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                        My Gameboy

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                                        • SuperMagicomS
                                          SuperMagicom
                                          last edited by

                                          I think some games fell through the cracks. For example, I noticed Chiller is missing for some reason.

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                                          • AndersHPA
                                            AndersHP @SuperMagicom
                                            last edited by

                                            @supermagicom don't know this game. Is it best run on mame or fba?

                                            My "Bubble Bobble" Themed Bartop Arcade
                                            My Gameboy

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