@dankcushions thanks mate - i did see the comment on the verbose logs.
In learning about how to trigger them and retrieve them, I went into the RetroPie configuration editor and then notice there was an Aspec ratio setting. I set this to 4:3 and everything is perfect now.
Glad Im solved it and thanks for your time.
Excellent forum by the way
So you were right I only need the rotation part and then needed to set the aspec ratio.
video_allow_rotate = true
video_rotation = 3
This was the magic line:-
aspect_ratio_index = "0"