@mitu said in Are Multiple Mice Supported or Was That Feature Trashed?: You can check by looking at the RetroArch's debug log and by running cat /proc/bus/input/devices. Remembering your first RetroArch debug log, my guess is that RetroArch counts twice a mouse device as both /dev/input/mouseX and /dev/input/eventY. You can check this theory by adding a mouse (so you have 3 devices) and using indexes 0, 2 and 4 to see if each device is detected and working. Okay. I can see that now, with access to the computer again. (Remember, it's in a different place than my desktop, that I use for posting.) Thanks! Now I have the primary Mini PAC set in Keyboard Mode and I see that it recognizes the Mini PACs as devices, but also recognizes the devices on them separately. It looks like keyboard in the Mini PAC gets an event node. Interestingly, the Ultimarc SpinTrak (the spinner) gets Event 5, not 6. When I test with cat /dev/input/event6 I get input from the spinner and I don't with event5. But this shows me that some of the devices are broken down into multiple devices and explains why something else is "in between" the trackball and the spinner. As a side note, even though this is a built in function for RetroArch, I've now done what the manufacturer claims can't be done. Xtensions claims that, in D Input Mode, you can only have one mouse device, so you can have the trackball (somehow that always ends up as the one to take priority) but not the spinner in that mode. I'll be writing them about that! When I have all my questions worked out, I'm going to either write up a few blog pages or make a few videos for others with the same issues. I'm hoping that they will use the so their other customers can get this working, too.

I got some controls working with AdvMame. I need to go through and get a few pages on the AdvMame configuration settings, since I wasn't sure what to use to specify controls for the trackball or spinner. I also had a problem because my "Coin One" button pauses the game no matter what. This leads to funky issues. For instance, on one game, I kept trying to put in a coin by pressing that button and it just paused the game. On another game, it would add a coin to the count, but also pause the game until I pressed it again. I also found that AdvMame can read a keyboard as if it's two controllers. Since I can change my controller from "B Input Mode" to "Keyboard Mode" (I'm guessing "B" means "Button," but I don't know.) From what I can see, just reading the TAB menu on AdvMame, I might have success using Keyboard mode and letting the keyboard act like two controllers. That also raises another question I'm going to have to spend time searching for: Mame-Libretro(2003) vs. AdvMame. Do I keep both on the system? I'm not sure if they'll both work consistently with the controller in one mode. AdvMame seems to work better, including using sound sample files easily, and the ROM set that works with AdvMame has more games in it. But that's a whole other issue to explore. Ideally I'd like to get my controller working in Keyboard and B Mode in both AdvMame and Mame-Libretro, but if I can get it to do everything in one form, I'll call it a day.

Got it working under Mame-lr2003, but not sure why. See the ending of this thread for my post about it.

I went through config files and even used the rp-dist in /opt/retropie/configs/mame-libretro to replace the modified one in the retroarch.cfg in that directory. Still no luck. But I've come upon a frustrating issue that does not seem to fit in with the situation. It's so different from what I'm dealing with, I started a new thread and went into long and careful detail of what I did and what's going on. It's here.

OK, I reset the default.cfg in mame2003 -folder, now the TAB is working and I can change the I change the sensitivity in the menu, seems for Centipede it's not going "faster", because in Marble Madness or Missile Command the control is running faster after the changes ! Thx!

All the trackballs are pretty much the same. The hardest part is make sure you use multimouse in MAME settings if you have more than 1 mouse device, as you want to be able to set device specific sensistivity values. You can figure out per games sensivity values with some info from here: https://web.archive.org/web/20160421175734/http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Spinner_Turn_Count

@mgrabow if you choose the option of creating a game-specific file "rom_full_name.cfg" (e.g. centipede.zip.cfg) input_player1_mouse_index = "n" don't forget to add this second line: config_save_on_exit = false just to prevent an override of the main config...

@Romstar An update on this the game is working / Marbles are rolling as it should!!! FIXED that with physically swapping the GreenX1 & Yellow X2 respectively for both players on the Ultimarc Opti-Pac. However the Opti-Pac Designed from ultimarc doesn't work with their software so I can't reflash the inputs that aren't being utilized. On the bottom of the Opti-Pac is "Left" & "Right" buttons / or rather left click right click on a mouse... which is fine, but NO INPUTS for Coin ! This is how I have it wired in case any one else is using the same setup: 5v - RED Ground - BLACK Blue trackball even though considered player one on the left (*Intentionally goes to the P2 side of the Opti-PAC) P2 X1 - Yellow P2 X2 - Green P2 Y1 - Blue P2 Y2 - Purple Red trackball (*Intentionally goes to the P1 side of the Opti-PAC) P1 X1 - Yellow P1 X2 - Green P1 Y1 - Blue P1 Y2 - Purple Left P1 - Player 1 Start Right P2 - Player 2 Start (*also to note the original Marble Madness control panel the notches in the trackball face the bend / curve towards the front of the player, where as the flat end underneath on the trackballs face going away / the monitor.) Still no way to hook up 5 "coin" as of now ... In theory I can daisy chain it to a start button but that would be on FREE-Play which I don't want. So CLOSE to getting this the way I need it to be!

If the USB encoder makes all 7 buttons available, then you can navigate the UI and start games so it should be possible to make EmulationStation use it. As for the 2nd Player, you can use advmame for arcade emulation and it would be possible to split the encoder inputs to both, not sure about how practical it is though.

I'm using two SpinTrak spinners from Ultimarc (product page). They are very well made and spin quite long even with small flyweights.

@dizunuvezu You're welcome, I'm happy it as helpful for you!

Have you read the https://retropie.org.uk/docs/Spinners,-Trackballs,-Lightguns,-and-other-Mouse-Devices/ page ?

I'm also building a Tron/DOT, but I'm reproducing a Mad Planets cab which also has those controls. You gotta bite the bullet and get Groovy Game Gear's Turbo Twist https://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=86&products_id=311 It comes with an interface board. Its the only push/pull solution out there. I have a spinner, and I was going to mod it to push-pull, but tick-tock. Then you have to bite an even bigger bullet and get this: https://na.suzohapp.com/products/accessories/50-9975-02 you can use any ol encoder for that. I have all the parts, I just need to assemble it. Haven't had time. I should put the control panel together first then I could share it with you. cheers ws

@IanDaemon its possible that it is not, but i somehow managed to start centipede in a 1:1 window and i saw the cursor move off the screen and the movement stop in game, when it hit the edge of the screen. thats how i know this is the problem. tbh i would really prefer to just lock the mouse to the current game. but if thats not possible, how can i force fullscreen?

There doesn't seem to be anything special about the devices - I see you only have 1 gamepad (which is considered by mame2000), but there are also a few keyboard and mice attached. Barring any permission problems (unlikely), I don't see why RetroArch excludes them - might be something to do with the core ? Can you try running with Mame2003 or other RetroArch core (FBAlpha) to see if this changes anything ?

@ESMITH1120 You're right, this isn't saved with the Core input remapping. I've tested a few other options and I didn't find the right RA override to save this per-game. However, you can use the mechanism implemented by RetroPie (https://retropie.org.uk/docs/RetroArch-Configuration/#custom-retroarch-override-examples) and create a ROM_full_name.cfg file alongside the ROM containing the configuration you need, i.e. input_player1_mouse_index = 1 where 1 is the mouse index that's suited for the game. If you have the same index for all games in a system(arcade, fba, etc), then you can add this configuration in the system's configuration file (/opt/retropie/configs/arcade/retroarch.cfg, etc.) as detailed in the link above.

You can reorient the controls 45 degrees in MAME 2003 and 2003-Plus by enabling the "4-way Joystick" core option. When that is enabled it also automatically rotates the 45 degrees games. You'll need to build from source to get this core option as it has only been in place a few weeks.